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Old 02-27-2005, 09:50 AM
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Default Biden: Clinton Hard to Beat in 2008 Race

Please let it be McCain. Please let it be McCain. I can't chance a Libertarian vote next time and know that this whacko got in office. I would hope that the Democrats wouldn't be so stupid as to nominate Hillary, but the party seems increasingly out of touch with middle America, so it wouldn't surprise me. Short of the Republicans running a complete neo-con nutcase (which is also possible): GOP - 4 more years. Are there no reasonable people left in politics??????????

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Default It will be McCain

What about Condi Rice? Would you vote for her as the Republican nominee? I really think it will be McCain, though.

And no way do I think Hillary would get the Dem nomination. I can't think of ONE "red" state that she could capture....and she would need to in order to win the presidency. If they don't run a moderate.....no way will they take away one of the red states.
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Old 02-27-2005, 10:35 AM
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Default I'd vote for McCain

I don't know enough about Rice's views, independent of the crowd she's with now. I would be more comfortable with Colin Powell. Her foreign policy views would make me hesitate.

If the Democrats run Hillary (and the Republicans run McCain), I see almost ALL Republicans, many Libertarians and more than a few moderate Democrats lining up behind John McCain. I think it would be one of the biggest landslides in history. I had more of a problem with her than I did her sly husband.

She may get it. I think the Democrats would (mistakenly) believe a lot of women would line up behind Hillary. In truth, I think only radical feminists would support her. From the mid-80's on, sample polls have shown that a growing majority of women refuse to be connected with the feminist label. IMO (WAG, actually), more women would support someone like Rice or Elizabeth Dole.
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Default A strange thing.....

I think you're right. And here's one woman who wouldn't line up behind Hillary. It takes more than someone just being of the same sex as me to make me want to vote for them. It's funny in a way: Hillary Clinton came from a Republican family and turned Democrat. I grew up in a Democrat family and turned Republican.
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I would vote for any of the current Republican front runners over Hillary. But Hillary is preferrable to every other democrat I have seen so far.
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Default I haven’t been keeping a close tabs on Hillary…

…what specifically don’t you guys like about her? Everyone complains how god awful she would be yet nobodies listed any of her "blemishes" as a Senator and how that would make her an awful president.
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…what specifically don’t you guys like about her? Everyone complains how god awful she would be yet nobodies listed any of her "blemishes" as a Senator and how that would make her an awful president.
1) I believe she is inherently and patently dishonest. 2) While I believe many politicians will lie to get in office and make themselves look good, I believe she would do almost anything (such as taking credit for the actions of Schumer after 9/11). 3) She is socialist, Hillary-care gives true insight as to her political leanings and beliefs. 4) She is a wet finger in the air politician, much like her husband, who will make decisions solely based upon what she feels will make her the most popular. 5) Her marriage front testifies as to her "do anything to get into office" mentality. 6) She not only lacks any respect for the military and the people who serve, but going a step further, I'll say what she has for them borders between loathing and hate.

That will do to start.
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1) I believe she is inherently and patently dishonest. 2) While I believe many politicians will lie to get in office and make themselves look good, I believe she would do almost anything (such as taking credit for the actions of Schumer after 9/11). 3) She is socialist, Hillary-care gives true insight as to her political leanings and beliefs. 4) She is a wet finger in the air politician, much like her husband, who will make decisions solely based upon what she feels will make her the most popular. 5) Her marriage front testifies as to her "do anything to get into office" mentality. 6) She not only lacks any respect for the military and the people who serve, but going a step further, I'll say what she has for them borders between loathing and hate.

That will do to start.
...I was hoping there would be a little more objective evidence pointing Hillary in a negative light however. Your 1,2,4,5,and 6 are really twisted lol.
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I know over the past year large corporations, and the trade groups that speak for them who opposed her plan on the early 90’s, have been subtly changing their tune.
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Default Personally, I cannot stand Hillary

And my reasons for feeling this way are entirely arbitrary and subjective, I freely admit it. I actually used to like her, and I voted for Bill twice.

But after 9/11, on 9/12, when our nation was hurting as badly as it ever has, and all of us were walking around like we had been wounded, I thought Bush gave about as good a speech as I've ever seen...It was tough and caring in exactly the right ways...it was encouraging, and it helped to pull people together.

It was not a time for petty partisan nonsense. Hillary Clinton herself had just lost more than 4,000 constituents in a single day, and their bodies had either disintegrated or were lying in a burning heap of rubble while their families desperately prayed for their survival.

And yet, during that speech, I watched her roll her eyes at someone across the room WHILE THE CAMERAS WERE ON HER, and then once she realized that she was being watched, her face changed entirely. It was only about a minute total, but in that minute, I saw her as a cold, amoral, purely political person without a single shred of decency in her soul. No one with any feeling, whatsoever, could act like that on such a day. NO ONE.

I didn't vote for Bush in 2000, and I wasn't particularly happy that he won. But 9/12/01 was NOT the day to be playing stupid partisan politics, regardless of what she may have thought of Bush. THOUSANDS OF HER CONSTITUENTS HAD JUST PERISHED IN A FIERY ACT OF HORROR and all she could seemingly think about was dissing Bush.

F that biatch. I will NEVER VOTE FOR HER.

You know, someone once told me that your entire opinion of a person can change in a second if you see an aspect of themselves that they've previously kept hidden. I remember traveling with a guy when I was much younger that I previously had thought a great deal of. Over dinner one night, he treated our waiter so shabbily, I was frankly embarrassed to be sitting at the table with him. In my family we were raised to believe that there is no honest work which is shameful, and that everyone, regardless of their economic status or the work they perform, is equally worthy of being treated with respect and dignity. Watching this man mistreat this young waiter simple because he felt entitled to because he had more money or a better paying job made me ill. And I was never really able to look at him in the same way after that.

That's exactly how I felt about Hillary. It was only a minute or so, but I saw something in her that utterly repulsed and horrified me. I would not vote for that biatch if she were the last person on earth.

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And yet, during that speech, I watched her roll her eyes at someone across the room WHILE THE CAMERAS WERE ON HER, and then once she realized that she was being watched, her face changed entirely. It was only about a minute total, but in that minute, I saw her as a cold, amoral, purely political person without a single shred of decency in her soul. No one with any feeling, whatsoever, could act like that on such a day. NO ONE.
Was that when Bush addressed the joint session of Congress and she was seated next to Shumer? If so I saw that as well. At the time I commented to my wife, 'so much for bringing the country together in a national crisis'
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