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Old 04-27-2009, 04:07 PM
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You'd have a point if people in California and New York actually knew what they were voting for. You'd have a point if we were a democracy. But, we're a reformed republic and changing our voting system to the popular vote isn't going to help anything. If you really want a better system, educate the voters and throw the people that try to tilt the election in jail. And since people choose to live in NY and CA, they shouldn't worry about their vote counting for less. It's not as if there's a tremendous difference, anyway.
Ok ya i see your point. thats a great way of looking at it. I suppose i always just assumed that state issues could be dealt with fairly through congress regardless of who is president but that is not the case. I just look at a nation as a whole when a nation votes for a leader. But yes i understand that if it was majority vote the president would be more likely to just visit and make improving promises to the big populated states only.
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The electoral college is needed in order to give the people of less-populated states some real voice in political matters. If the votes of, say, Idahoans and Vermonters were merely subsumed in the national total, those votes would be next to meaningless.

Moreover, there is very little tradition of proportional representation in the US. True, the states of Maine and Nebraska have chosen to part with this tradition, in the distribution of their electoral votes. And the Democratic Party has done likewise, in its allocation of delegates, according to the primary results. But I really cannot envision this as an improvement over the traditional, winner-take-all process.

After all, lots of major-league baseball teams have won three World Series games in a single post-season. But they still did not deserve 42.9 percent of the title, "World Champion."
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meh.. as far as colleges go, that one sucks. Doesn't even have a football or basketball team.
Yeah, but I hear their frat parties are second to none.
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Yeah, but I hear their frat parties are second to none.
Hardly. Electoral College sucks in that department as well.
Official partiest college is UM.

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Hardly. Electoral College sucks in that department as well.
Official partiest college is UM.

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Dude, that's only because the electoral college doesn't invite Playboy to its frat parties. Playboy is not risque enough for their taste.

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What i would do-
Keep electoral voting, but change it like this have each states get 100 electorial votes then the candidates get how ever many of them as the percentage they won. This would give third parties a slightly better chance chance.
It's still National Popular Vote with less accuracy and it actually makes it harder for 3rd parties. Think about it. If a 3rd party candidate were to win the National Popular Vote, he/she would have to receive at least 34% in a three way race. If it was required to have a majority of the vote (50%) you can imagine a 3rd party candidate would never have a chance.

Under the current electoral system, a 3rd party candidate could theoretically win with only 15% of the popular vote. Now I know it seems really unfair that a person could get so little of the vote and still be President, but what's stopping the two major parties from winning in the same way? The chances of this happening could be reduced though if we awarded electoral votes based on district instead of winner-take-all.
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The best way to reform the electoral college is through the "proportional plan":

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This plan would cure the winner-take-all problem and eliminate faithless electors. It also would yield an electoral vote more in line with the popular vote, at least for each state.
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I'm honestly pretty fond of the idea of proportional representation. It would encourage voter turnout and put a major dent in the American duopoly.
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I'm honestly pretty fond of the idea of proportional representation. It would encourage voter turnout and put a major dent in the American duopoly.

I like the $1million Voter Lotto better.
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The best way to reform the electoral college is through the "proportional plan":



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I like that idea. It gives voters in polarized states incentives to go and vote. Whether your a Democrat or Republican in Texas or NY if you go out and vote your candidate will get more points.
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