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Old 05-02-2004, 09:03 PM
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Default John Kerry needs up to date information.

On April 17th. Democratic presidential contender John Kerry called on President George W. Bush to get rid of the "Made in America" tag on the US-led occupation of Iraq in a new campaign attack. Kerry said an international mission approved by the United Nations must be set up to organize elections, restore government services and help rebuild the Iraqi economy. Candidate Kerry needs a better, more up to date staff to keep him informed. The UN is being investigated for Billions (not millions) of dollars in Iraqi kickbacks in the Oil for Food program. France, Russia and other UN members who spoke out against taking Saddam down are now caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Why would any Presidential leader trust the United nations with American lives?
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Do you want success in forming a democratic Iraq or not. The question is what is the best way to handle Iraq, not was the oil for food program corrupt.

So if you think things are moving fine, then I see why you don't want to change anything. I mean it is not like the people are revolting, support for the USA is dropping and it is costing us billions a month. It is not like there is no plan, I mean we are turning over Iraq in 60 days to some unknown and unspecified government, but everything is planned out well, we just must not be privy to the information.
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Look. We still bring the money and the troops, the UN just brings the legitamacy.
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Do you want success in forming a democratic Iraq or not. The question is what is the best way to handle Iraq, not was the oil for food program corrupt.

So if you think things are moving fine, then I see why you don't want to change anything. I mean it is not like the people are revolting, support for the USA is dropping and it is costing us billions a month. It is not like there is no plan, I mean we are turning over Iraq in 60 days to some unknown and unspecified government, but everything is planned out well, we just must not be privy to the information.
This is about gaining credibility with the Iraqis.

This is not about being wimpy... it's about making things work.

We need to get "over ourselves" for a change and do what works, not through good money (and lives) after bad (deaths).

IMHO... of course.
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On April 17th. Democratic presidential contender John Kerry called on President George W. Bush to get rid of the "Made in America" tag on the US-led occupation of Iraq in a new campaign attack. Kerry said an international mission approved by the United Nations must be set up to organize elections, restore government services and help rebuild the Iraqi economy. Candidate Kerry needs a better, more up to date staff to keep him informed. The UN is being investigated for Billions (not millions) of dollars in Iraqi kickbacks in the Oil for Food program. France, Russia and other UN members who spoke out against taking Saddam down are now caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Why would any Presidential leader trust the United nations with American lives?
Read for yourself - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4779810/#040422 ,http://www.acepilots.com/unscam
Good question. Makes you wonder why John Kerry has so much faith in them.
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Look. We still bring the money and the troops, the UN just brings the legitamacy.
They've lost all "legitimacy" as far as I'm concerned. And I think a lot of Americans feel the same way.
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Do you want success in forming a democratic Iraq or not. The question is what is the best way to handle Iraq, not was the oil for food program corrupt.

So if you think things are moving fine, then I see why you don't want to change anything. I mean it is not like the people are revolting, support for the USA is dropping and it is costing us billions a month. It is not like there is no plan, I mean we are turning over Iraq in 60 days to some unknown and unspecified government, but everything is planned out well, we just must not be privy to the information.
I would consider being FOR turning it over the UN on ONE condition. And that condition must be in writing. They the UN would spend the BILLIONS THEY got in kickbacks from Saddam to pay for rebuilding Iraq....which would have to include getting back the kickbacks that France and Russia received. Anything short of that.....NO WAY.
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I don't think that it's Americans that we need to demonstrate legitamacy to right now. Americans have always been suspicious of the UN.
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I don't think that it's Americans that we need to demonstrate legitamacy to right now. Americans have always been suspicious of the UN.

Well, we'll see if the UN does the right thing here....and gives back the billions stolen from the Iraqi people.....after getting it back from the countries involved.
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Default That is why Kerry being out of touch is dangerous

Kerry is basing his presidental run on leaving the world stage, America stops being a superpower. We become isonaliansts ( like pre WW 1), Kerry decides to let the world do whatever it wants, regardless of the future concaquences. 3 1/2 years into his Presidencey the "New" terriost network is put together and attacks the US. This time we can only turn to the UN for protection (he cut the budget, there is no real US military), the UN waffles because the "New" network has bought them off just like Saddam bought the UN before. America is the battleground, not Iraq. China, France & Russia are glad to watch America slowy turn into a cesspool. This might be a Hawks future vision of weakness, but what happens if the US starts ignoring the world. Pick your own scenario, with what has happened in Kosovo, the Middle east, Old Soviet Union, New Europe. Do any of those past events lead you to believe America should shrink our armed forces or depend on someone else for protection?
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