Oh no, don't tell me the truth, I don't care about truth. Again, top scientists are beginning to question global warming being caused by man. This will not set well with Gore-d church members.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...5-fc28f14da388

Dr. Allegre's skepticism is noteworthy in several respects. For one, he is an exalted member of France's political establishment, a friend of former Socialist president Lionel Jospin, and, from 1997 to 2000, his minister of education, research and technology, charged with improving the quality of government research through closer co-operation with France's educational institutions. For another, Dr. Allegre has the highest environmental credentials. The author of early environmental books, he fought successful battles to protect the ozone layer from CFCs and public health from lead pollution. His break with scientific dogma over global warming came at a personal cost: Colleagues in both the governmental and environmental spheres were aghast that he could publicly question the science behind climate change.

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Cheney is the second executive officer to shoot someone in the face and chest. Clinton was the first.

The one good that may have come out of the Oscar award for that film is the same thing that occured with Moores being awarded.

Questioning... exposure... and finally repudiaton of that which was blown out of proportion or barely substantiated.

Hopefully it will occur before the western word blows a godawful amoutn of money adn perhaps damages its economies and way of life on what is questionable science in many cases.

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McCain/Palin 2008
"We make war that we may live in peace"
"Peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever."
"Keep that faith,keep your courage,stick together, stay strong,do not yield,do not flinch,stand up,we're Americans,we'll never surrender they will"
http://members.cox.net/neddy/bobhope_kerfuffles.wmv
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RnfflRNpwKA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j-QYIP7o2-A

I'm not trying to sass anyone here, but I want to ask, in all seriousness...

What if you're wrong? Just, what if?

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"During the last 2 billion years the Earth's climate
has alternated between a frigid "Ice House", like
today's world, and a steaming "Hot House", like the
world of the dinosaurs.
http://www.scotese.com/images/globaltemp.jpg
http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm

"There are two orbital features of the Earth, its
elliptical orbit, and the tilt of the Earth in
relation to its plane of orbit."
Variations in Earths orbit are the largest single
factor in global climate conditions."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/feature...ceage_02.shtml
"...it is these orbital variations that account for
our weather pattern during the present ice epoch."


"Predictions of global warming are based on
computer climate modeling, a branch of science still
in its infancy. The empirical evidence actual
measurements of Earth's temperature shows no man
made warming trend. Indeed, over the past two
decades, when CO2 levels have been at their highest,
global average temperatures have actually cooled
slightly."
http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm


This planet has been going through cycles of warming and cooling long
before man walked the Earth.
The last hundred or so years of using combustion engines has not
superseded the effects of the Sun, planetary orbit, continental drift,
or thousands of years of vocanic activity on the worlds weather patterns.

Cycles of global cooling and warming are not a
theory, its fact. Fossil remains of dinosaurs have
been found that would have been near the South Pole
when the COLD BLOODED creature died.
http://home.alphalink.com.au/~dannj/ecenvir.htm

Unless the Earth had been much warmer than it is now
cold blooded dinosaurs could not have lived there.

At times glaciers have reached almost to the equator,
evidence can be found in tell tale scarring left
behind by them. During very warm periods there were
no ice caps at the poles, or very small ones.



Here's a thought...
There are more sources of CO2 emission in nature than
mankind's one contribution, its part of the natural
carbon cycle that supports life on this planet.
By scale, and simple mathematics, our contribution is
the least significant.

But are 'emissions' the greatest effect we are tipping
the scale with in any small way?
The vast depletion of rain forests in South America
impacts the CO2 recycling by plants.
Pollution of the oceans, creating actual "dead zones",
also impacts CO2 absorption.

The simplistic crap you are fed by people like Al
Gore is nothing even close to real science.

...way to go, your first post here and you've pretty much just jumped right in, huh?

You're not Jake, are you? Reinvented as a newbie because nobody can stand you and you want to start again, pseudo-anonymously? Or his brother? Or (though this seems unlikely), his friend?

Again, I repeat my question. Just what if you're wrong? I really mean that. Has any one single person on the global-warming's-not-true bandwagon actually given that possibility any consideration?

And besides, I find the argument that `the earth warms and cools and has done so for a long time' so facile. So what if it has? That is irrelevant. Such extreme temperature patterns have population-killing implications, so even if it's not man-made, why aren't you worried? You don't care about the potentiality that we could be all but destroyed by it?

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Suspicion is a very healthy trait, good for you.

Actually the forums I have been frequenting are dead right now and I just
did a search to find some new ones.

....................................

You might actually try to refute a point I made-- just as a matter of good
form.

awww.. poor Chesby, she's still traumatized by having been a victim of a stalker.

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"When I'm in command, every mission is a suicide mission!" -Capt. Zapp Branigan
The United Church of the Latter Day Tangential Tarts

I might, but unfortunately, I don't know if, for sure, 100%, that global warming is entirely man-made. I don't doubt that the earth has been warming and cooling for millenia, I don't doubt that there are natural forces at work. I just believe wholeheartedly that this problem is significantly contributed to by humans.

But here's an idea. Why don't you try actually answering either of my questions? To reiterate:

What if you're wrong?
And even if you're right, why aren't you worried?

I have not been able to find one global warming naysayer anywhere, at any time, willing to answer those questions - the first in particular. I would think that anyone as secure in their argument as those in the `no' camp seem to be, that they would have no problem answering such a question - particularly as a hypothetical.

Just for once, on this site, I would dearly love to have an adult, mature debate with somebody on the other side of the climate change fence, that doesn't resort to slinging matches and people ranting at other people that they don't know what they're talking about and not actually offering up any arguments at all.

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"What if" is not a good motivator for establishing national, and international,
policies on energy.

When a source of energy that is as efficient, cheap, and easily implemented,
as fossil fuel is developed it will be adopted. The history of human behavior
is a testament to the fact that new technologies will be exploited when found.

...oh well. Still no answer. Never mind. Will continue in my quest for somebody willing to engage in a true argument on this topic, who will present all of the arguments for both cases, refuting those he wishes to argue against, using substantive evidence to support his original premise.

I didn't think those two little words would be so hard to answer. Seeds of doubt, perhaps? Or just pure stubbornness?

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