Thread: Climate Change: It's bad and getting worse

Originally Posted by squidward

Poor little Joey_Sac, is it the big word "causation" that you have difficulty with ?
Please provide me with the "statements" you speak of.

Oh yeah, if your not too busy trying to stroke yourself, could you please provide the data that establishes causation between man made CO2 and global warming, or will you simply flap your gums like a pre-pubescent boy ?

You continue your trite line, "poor little Joey Sac." and now you dump it all into name calling as "pre-pubescent boy." It is enjoyable to watch ignorant persons like you fail. Apparently, failing something you know a lot about, right Mr. Walmart? Keep embarrassing yourself, we all enjoy you.

Originally Posted by Joey_Sac

You continue your trite line, "poor little Joey Sac." and now you dump it all into name calling as "pre-pubescent boy." It is enjoyable to watch ignorant persons like you fail. Apparently, failing something you know a lot about, right Mr. Walmart?

If you couldn't produce the data, why didn't you just say so ?

It is fun watching you pound your chest like a little boy however.
It would be really neat if you could back it up with a little data.

Tell me again about your MBA. It's so impressive. I think I'm getting aroused.

Originally Posted by Joey_Sac

I agree about the four year degree, which is why I topped my education at UCDavis with an MBA scholarship at Northwestern. Where did you get your MBA?

Which has what to do with the thread?

Other than the tornados (which may or may not be climate related) global climate change has been working to my benefit this year. We are getting rain we do not normally get and my pasture is growing.

The grass seed I planted last week is coming up and most other things are growing pretty well...But It is very hot and humid.

My tomatoes are in bad shape though...probably my fault. I tried something new this year. The only ones doing well are the better bush.

Originally Posted by squidward

If you couldn't produce the data, why didn't you just say so ?

It is fun watching you pound your chest like a little boy however.
It would be really neat if you could back it up with a little data.

Tell me again about your MBA. It's so impressive. I think I'm getting aroused.

Originally Posted by Ethereal

Which has what to do with the thread?

Thank you both for the lead in. Internet message boards are home place of morons. In my work and my recreation, I monitor the stupidity of the general population. I am in advertising, and as my college professor said, "No one ever lost a dime underestimating the intelligence of the American people." I am continually amazed at this.

We can charge you $1.75 for 16 ounces of sugar water that cost a quarter to bottle. And, then what you get is not good for your health. I used to take up for the ignorant, I was a consumerist, now I say (*)(*)(*)(*) them, they get what they deserve, which is very little. Americans are too stupid to write their Congressperson for change, instead they waste their time posting here with other morons.

American voters are about to lose their Medicare, (their Social Security was lost by politicians years ago). Public workers are losing their collective bargaining rights, retirement and health care. Our reason for going to war in Afghanistan has disappeared, yet we are going to continue to spend three billion dollars a week for the next year as our economy continues to tank.

I am literally laughing all the way to the bank! Nikita Khrushchev was correct, there was no need to attack America, we are so stupid we are destroying ourselves. At least I have a seat in first class.

Originally Posted by Joey_Sac

Thank you both for the lead in. Internet message boards are home place of morons. In my work and my recreation, I monitor the stupidity of the general population. I am in advertising, and as my college professor said, "No one ever lost a dime underestimating the intelligence of the American people." I am continually amazed at this.

We can charge you $1.75 for 16 ounces of sugar water that cost a quarter to bottle. And, then what you get is not good for your health. I used to take up for the ignorant, I was a consumerist, now I say (*)(*)(*)(*) them, they get what they deserve, which is very little. Americans are too stupid to write their Congressperson for change, instead they waste their time posting here with other morons.

American voters are about to lose their Medicare, (their Social Security was lost by politicians years ago). Public workers are losing their collective bargaining rights, retirement and health care. Our reason for going to war in Afghanistan has disappeared, yet we are going to continue to spend three billion dollars a week for the next year as our economy continues to tank.

I am literally laughing all the way to the bank! Nikita Khrushchev was correct, there was no need to attack America, we are so stupid we are destroying ourselves. At least I have a seat in first class.

What does this have to do with climate change?

Joey, are you done bragging about yourself now? Just wondering when we'll be able to get back to the thread topic.

Originally Posted by Joey_Sac

Thank you both for the lead in. Internet message boards are home place of morons.

yes, you have demonstrated that.

In my work and my recreation, I monitor the stupidity of the general population.

and display yours for all to see.

I am in advertising

Your mommy should bake you cookies.

Americans are too stupid to write their Congressperson for change, instead they waste their time posting here with other morons.

Like the poster of the above post ?

I am literally laughing all the way to the bank!

gee, I've never been to a bank before. What's it like ?

Originally Posted by cassandrabandra

well that wasn't my point, which was just that already the impacts are being felt by those who have not contributed, or have contributed, only marginally.

but on the subject of water as a commodity to be controlled, you might be interested in Vandana Shiva's Water wars: privatization, pollution and profit

Thanks. Will be a VERY interesting read.

Originally Posted by cassandrabandra

the first thing we can do is on an individual level.

look at our own consumption patterns. More judicious use of resources will not only help save the planet, but will in most cases save you money.

I learned from a young age to conserve resources, and think about how many lights I needed on, how much energy (and water) an item consumed when making purchases, learned to switch things off when they were not in use, etc ... this extended to journey planning, walking even when I could drive, and using public transport for some journeys despite the convenience of driving. My parents grew up in the depression and handed on their values to me. For me, there have been no hard choices, so now having invested in solar power I am a net contributor to the grid and higher fuel prices have had considerably less impact on me than they have on many people I know.

I wish I could do what you do, but I am sure that if I don't have a car as a male, I would be laughed at at the end of every party, especially by the girl who thought would go out with me. These are the kind of reasons why only very few people can do what you do, even if they want to, on an individual level.

Originally Posted by cassandrabandra

On a broader scale - a carbon tax is probably the only way now we can get the wider community to actually play their part - the hip pocket nerve is the best way to influence consumer - and business - decisions. It is sad it has to come to that - but really - we have already wasted too much time. with the lag time, we will see things get a lot worse before they stabilise no matter what we do.

Isn't the carbon tax a horrible idea when the world economy is already so rigged that working people can't pay their debths and going bankrupt by the masses?

Originally Posted by cassandrabandra

we also need to invest in research - and this is something that is happening in the emerging nations, where people want our lifestyle, but goverments are already mindful of the impact of climate change. Carbon Neutral cities are already being planned in a number of places, including China and the Gulf states.

the infrastructure in these cities will include elements of design that minimise energy consumption - which will include mass transit systems as well as land useand building design.

there are a range of technologies - solar is obviously one, wind power is also used in many places, and tidal and geothermal power along with other new technologies are being researched - and show considerable promise. clean coal power has also been developed. All of these need further research and investment to increase efficiencies.

In addition - we need to look at carbon capturing - this can mean retaining natural habitats, but all the trees in the world are not enough, and reforestation is not always viable as it competes with other land use needs - so other methods are being researched.

we need to think about food production - agronomists are developing newer, better drought resistant crops, and there is a need for a lot more funding in this area as food production is already being affected by increasing drought - and flooding. we will probably also need to develop aquaculture more - as the oceans ability to feed us declines, we will need to control fish production environments to maintain food supplies.

I love these. I wish that basic resarch that these require to start could exist in democratic capitalistic countries. We are not good at subsidizing non-for-profit research in a voter contolled capitalistic environment.

Originally Posted by cassandrabandra

Water is another thing - we will need to think about our use of water, and also recapturing fresh water from other sources. desal plants are one option - although energy intensive, placement of these facilities where they can take advantage of renewable energy sources may be important. again - more research is needed to increase efficiencies. we can also look at recapturing water from other sources.

changing coastal zones and low lyng areas prone to flooding are a major concern of th einsurance industry in th ewest, but also of low lying nations - especially small Island nations in the Pacific and Indian oceans.

In some cases it may be necessary to construct sea walls - although this should be subject to a thorough assessment to determine viability. population levels and other factors should be taken into consideration, as in many cases it may be better to move populations.

medical research into tropical and insect borne diseases is another area that needs to be explored - we do know that one of the predictions of climate change is that some diseases will spread to more teperate and cooler climates. We need t be prepared for this.

there is heaps more - but thats a start.

I hope these will generate jobs, if they ever get funding. By the way I would like to pay special (financial) attention to technologies that can create precipitation in desert environments.

Your list are VERY interesting ideas, would even beat the job creational potential of wars in the classical economic sense.

Originally Posted by Joey_Sac

Sorry, you lost this one many posts ago when you blathered on about 'causation data,' yet provided no links to support your contentions.

He asked for the data to support YOUR contentions.

If you think I am going to waste my time demonstrating what everyone already knows,

LOL!! False and unsupported claims are not things "everyone already knows."

If you actually watched reputable news you would know that the last six months has been the most outrageous climate change in America on record.

"Watched reputable news"?? ROTFL! How about something a little more credible than your own personal taste in infotainment? How about some DATA to support your claim of "most outrageous climate change in America on record"? I kinda thought "the year without a summer," 1816, was probably the most outrageous climate change in America on record.

You need to learn to research before you post, which is why I don't lose discussions.

Now that's funny. You HAVE lost, dumpling. You just don't know it.