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The earth is too (*)(*)(*)(*) big for us little things to effect its climate
Thats not a scientific argument, its what you want to be true.
There are six billion of us, and we already have started affecting it.
do you think the world is over-populated?
No, and over-population isn't just a function of numbers, its also about consumption by individuals. I am countering his claim that "us little things" can't affect the environment. We can when there are a lot of us, and many of us use too many resources.

http://www.earthday.net/footprint/info.asp
the world does not have the resources to support earth inhabitants current population
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Stop deliberately spinning my posts. I stated in one word, no, that the world is not overpopulated. That does not mean we aren't at risk of this problem in the future, or that cutting back resource consumption is a bad idea.
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Does some of this video sound familiar?
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/denialmachine/
Click on "Watch this story online" at the right top half of the page


AGW deniers don't bother watching this. Most of it you already know what's being reported.
AGW skeptics, I hope you at least think about the content.
To those who accept AGW, enjoy.
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http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/denialmachine/
Click on "Watch this story online" at the right top half of the page


AGW deniers don't bother watching this. Most of it you already know what's being reported.
AGW skeptics, I hope you at least think about the content.
To those who accept AGW, enjoy.
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Good summary. It can be argued that it's one-sided, however, in that it represents only about 99.9% of the scientific community on this issue.

I think they should have grilled Fred Singer more. When it comes to propagandists like him and Steven Milloy, who have both attempted to refute smoking's link to lung cancer and global warming consensus, my question for them is how they happened to coincidentally be involved in these issues. What has driven them to pursue 2 very unrelated issues?
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Stop deliberately spinning my posts. I stated in one word, no, that the world is not overpopulated. That does not mean we aren't at risk of this problem in the future, or that cutting back resource consumption is a bad idea.
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I can see the earth is getting hotter, but I think everyone's blowing it way out of proportion. Remember Global Cooling? Kind of a fad thing...I agree that we should do things to help the environment and try and be more efficient but the hype built up by it all seems drastic.

I saw this special on TV a few weeks ago, I thought it was pretty neat...

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can see the earth is getting hotter, but I think everyone's blowing it way out of proportion. Remember Global Cooling? Kind of a fad thing...I agree that we should do things to help the environment and try and be more efficient but the hype built up by it all seems drastic.

I saw this special on TV a few weeks ago, I thought it was pretty neat...
Except for the fact that it is wrong on evey sceintific level.

Wrong, you say! Stop being so arrogant. There are always two sides to every story, right?

I accept that criticism. Of course there are two sides to man made global warming; the right side and the wrong side, the scientifically justified side and the pseudo scientific intellectual junk side.
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Mudslinging!? How can you say that when I haven't answered you yet? Seriously though, if Global Warming was really being caused by Humans, why do you think it is imperative for the right wing politicians to want to cover-up something so monumental and important? You're probably going to say because they want to protect the oil companies. This is of no consequence. Oil companies will always exist and expand as long as the oil on this planet lasts, period.

The truth is it is propaganda and there's a lot to gain from fooling people into believing that Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is causing Global Warming. If you listen to everything Gore says, he is blatantly using this stunt to attack private industries instead of suggesting rational ways to deal with the co2 in the atmosphere. As everyone knows, The american oil companies are closely aligned with the Republican Party and are a big portion of their contribution income. It's apparant to me he's trying to help his party by shrinking the revenue gap between them. As you know, the Republican Party has far more money to run on and recieve than the Democratic Party does. This could be one of the main reasons. But this is propaganda and he is lying to you. Another reason you know this is a lie by what they do is because Gore stated in the movie that combating Global warming will create jobs. That's nonsense especially when you look at his vision. It would expand the government and attack private industry. Some solution there. Another example of Democrats and their big government. Another reason you can tell is he hardly mentions the alternate points and things of argument. He won't debate them which makes him look less sincere. Also, another thing about this stupid topic is the Ozone Layer. Remember that crock? They ran around yelling at people that the ozone layer was thinning and we were all going to be dead. This happened when the world was probably excreting more c02 than it is now. It turned out to be nonesense and the (*)(*)(*)(*) scientists didn't even come out to admit they were wrong and apologize. They just gave up on it. I emphatically believe that the theory that Global Warming is caused by CO2 is a huge lie. I believe it's the sun that's causing the earth to get warmer and believe it has always been the sun. The earth is too (*)(*)(*)(*) big for us little things to effect its climate. And what does that mean anyway? That we are going to prevent the next ice-age because we drive cars? Because of us, ice-ages will cease to exist? That's really stupid. It must be the sun and there's much more evidence of that.
Your confusing the hole in the ozone layer with global warming when they are two different problems. The Hole in the ozone layer has nothing to do with global warming. And the ozone layer was thinning. The hole is real and the science behind it is real. A simple search will give a ton of articles on it and the science behind it. We were the ones who caused it with CFCs. CFCs cause a self-sustaining reaction in which a CFC molecule takes an oxygen from O3 to make it O2. The CFC-O then degrades to the CFC and the reaction begins all over again. Since the CFCs stay in the atmosphere for a long time, the O3 is depleted. They say that hole won't be fixed until 2050. So if you say we as human beings can't effect the earth, just look at that. We made two huge fuggin holes in the atmosphere.

I think your argument is really strong in that you completely ignore scientific evidence supporting global warming and instead use your belief that Al Gore made his movie for political gain to refute it. By de-constructing his movie and revealing his obvious political motives you are completely refuting scientific evidence that global warming exists. Because in a scientific argument it is ALWAYS valid to make your point by exposing the political motives of one of the people providing scientific evidence against your theories instead of citing research of your own or others. You then strengthen your argument by talking about a completely unrelated matter concerning the ozone layer. Finally, you completely settle the argument once and for all by gracing us with your opinion on the real source behind global warming. Thank you Justinian. This thread should officially end because the debate is over. I really need to copy this post so I can submit it to all those clowns wasting their time and money on research, believing this whole 'global warming' thing is really true.
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Nice summary of GW from New Scientist.
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So for those who are not sure what to believe, here is our round-up of the 26 most common climate myths and misconceptions.
I haven't read it all yet but it looks like all the skeptic's issues are addressed.
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All that needs to be said on this is:

How did the democrats convince the rest of the World to buy into the theory?
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