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First off, I don't "believe" in global warming; I trust the climatologists when they conclude from their data that global warming is happening and humans are a cause.
You believe what they say.
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The scientific debate is over.
No scientist would ever say that about anything - the "debate is over" could only be descibed as a religious doctrine of true believers in GW.
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The debate isn't over

Try watching the videos, they disprove most, if not all, of the alarmist claims. Think the person who presents the facts in the videos is crazy? Here are his credentials.

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Bob Carter is a Research Professor at James Cook University
(Queensland). He is a palaeontologist, stratigrapher and marine and
environmental geologist with forty years professional experience, and
holds degrees from the University of Otago (New Zealand) and the
University of Cambridge (England). He has held tenured academic
staff positions at the University of Otago and James Cook University
(Townsville), where he was Professor and Head of School of Earth
Sciences between 1981 and 1999.
Bob Carter's current research on climate change, sea-level change and
stratigraphy is based on field studies of Cenozoic sediments (last 65
million years) from the Southwest Pacific region, especially the Great
Barrier Reef and New Zealand.
Bob's research has been supported by grants from competitive public research agencies, especially the
Australian Research Council (ARC). He receives no research funding from special interest
organisations such as environmental groups, energy companies or government departments.
Bob writes public science commentary regularly in newspapers such as The Australian, The Sydney
Morning Herald, The Australian Financial Review and the UK Sunday Telegraph.
No "neo-con" or "big oil" endorsements here. Sorry to disappoint you.
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My issue with this is that the so-called "climatologists" who back MMGW either:

a) Are getting FAT grants and paychecks for studying MMGW, simply because it's the "soup du jour" of fields of research. They know that the money's not in fighting cancer or AIDS anymore. That's the "old & busted." The "new highness" is global warming. That's where the BIG money is!
What's with the "so-called "climatologists" ". Do you not accept their profession? Sorry, I don't believe you. How rich are the these scientists getting? How FAT are these grants?
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b) Are affiliated with the United Nations. The same corrupt entity who is viciously Anti-American.
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c) Refuse to admit that geological or solar activity might be causing it (most likely because those two culprits are difficult to tax into submission, unlike major corporations who are easy to rape for profit).
Read the science. IPCC says sun is a factor, just not enough of one to account for recent warming. What geological factors?
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"Man-made Global Warming" is all about money and control. The more governments can terrify the masses into thinking that THEY'RE the cause of natural climactic cycles, the more money they can extort from them through oppressive taxation, and draconian regulation.
Without evidence you have conspiracy theories with no basis in fact.What "oppressive taxes " are being levied by any government in the world?
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And "Global Warming"; is the PERFECT thing to push on folks. Virtually ANY weather anomaly can be blamed on it! Think about it...

Unseasonably warm weather? The world's heating up!! Everyone panic!!
Unseasonably cold weather? The world's off-balance!! Everyone panic!!
Lots of hurricanes? Anything more than "X" is caused by global warming!! Everyone panic!!
No hurricanes? Anything less than "X" is due to global warming!! Everyone panic!!

Random hurricane hits a city, built below sea level? Global warm...

...oh, sorry....that one was George Bush's fault.
Sorry, scientists are not saying anything like you quote. You are confusing scientists with political alarmists.
So I'm supposed to believe the political bloggers over the evidence of scientists. Make up your mind. Is it the UN scientists, governments or alarmists which are lying to us? Or all 3? That's one lleh of a conspiracy theory.
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You believe what they say.
I accept what they say because they are professionals who've spent their lives studying the science.
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No scientist would ever say that about anything - the "debate is over" could only be descibed as a religious doctrine of true believers in GW.
Sorry! Actually they would. Heard of any scientists debating whether the earth is the center of the universe or if the earth is flat?
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The debate isn't over

Try watching the videos, they disprove most, if not all, of the alarmist claims. Think the person who presents the facts in the videos is crazy? Here are his credentials.



No &quot;neo-con&quot; or &quot;big oil&quot; endorsements here. Sorry to disappoint you.
Only thing I'm disappointed in is that you still don't get it. One scientist's opinion does not trump several scientific organizations or the evidence. I'll watch your video if you watch mine!
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Sorry! Actually they would. Heard of any scientists debating whether the earth is the center of the universe or if the earth is flat?
That the earth is flat was a prescientific folklore - it was never a scientific theory. Comparing the two is beyond silly. Find me a single real, disinterested, scientist who has said "the debate's over".
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I accept what they say because they are professionals who've spent their lives studying the science.
Yes, you believe what they say.
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That the earth is flat was a prescientific folklore - it was never a scientific theory. Comparing the two is beyond silly.
OK. Relativity is no longer being debated. There is no longer any debate that the sun is powered by fusion. There is no longer any debate that rocks fall from the sky. Continental Drift is beyond debate. Bacteria is the source of infection and no scientists are debating it. So yes; sometimes the scientific debate is over.
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"The scientific debate is over," said Spencer Weart, director of AIP's Center for History of Physics, in College Park, MD. "It now becomes an economic and political debate" over how to deal with the problem of global warming, he said.
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