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The scientific "debate" was over a long time ago.
From reading this thread, that does not seem to be the case.
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From reading this thread, that does not seem to be the case.
Very true. I suggest you get as many independent books and viewpoints as possible.

One thing those books and viewpoints should at least inform you about is that the so-called controversy only exists in the US. It is kind of like the so-called controversy on Evolution. Only exists in the US.
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One thing those books and viewpoints should at least inform you about is that the so-called controversy only exists in the US. It is kind of like the so-called controversy on Evolution. Only exists in the US.
That does not sound right. There are people on this board that live outside the US and do not agree.

And what of that list that was posted earlier that said that scientists in other countries do not agree?
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I would like to see some of those questions answered. Does this mean the debate is over?
Maybe.. I still don't have the reply to my post or the feedback on the rest of the names from the list. We'll have to wait it out..
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Two names left:
HUGHES, Dan
Hughes and Associates are involved with computer modelling.

PROFETA, Timothy H.
I'll agree Profetta is a not a scientist.

Now can you back up your statement that a "vast majority" are not scientists.
If you need a little help, picking a random page (# 966 of the report, not the PDF file) gives me this

SOLANKI, Sami K.
Max Planck Institute for
Solar System Research
Germany, Switzerland
SOLOMINA, Olga
Institute of Geography RAS
Russian Federation
SOLOMON, Susan
Co-Chair, IPCC WGI, National Oceanic
and Atmospheric Administration,
Earth System Research Laboratory
USA
SOMERVILLE, Richard
Scripps Institution of Oceanography,
University of California, San Diego
USA
SOMOT, Samuel
Météo-France, Centre National de
Recherches Météorologiques
France
SONG, Yuhe
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
USA
SPAHNI, Renato
Climate and Environmental Physics,
Physics Institute, University of Bern
Switzerland
SRINIVASAN, Jayaraman
Centre for Atmospheric and Oceanic
Sciences, Indian Institute of Science
India
STAINFORTH, David
Atmospheric, Oceanic and
Planetary Physics, Department of
Physics, University of Oxford
UK
STAMMER, Detlef
Institut fuer Meereskunde Zentrum
fuer Meeres und Klimaforschung
Universitaet Hamburg
Germany
STANIFORTH, Andrew
Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction
and Research, Met Offi ce
UK
STARK, Sheila
Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction
and Research, Met Offi ce
UK
STEFFEN, Will
Australian National University
Australia Professor Will Steffen's research interests span a broad range within the field of Earth System science, with a special emphasis on terrestrial ecosystem interactions with global change, the global carbon cycle, incorporation of human processes in Earth System modelling and analysis, and on adaptation to global change, particularly in relation to agriculture.
STENCHIKOV, Georgiy Research Professor Department of Environmental Sciences
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey
USA
STERN, William
National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration
USA
STEVENSON, David I am a Senior Lecturer in Atmospheric Modelling, with research interests in modelling atmospheric chemistry, in particular global scale tropospheric ozone and its interactions with climate change.
University of Edinburgh
UK
STOCKER, Thomas F.
Climate and Environmental Physics,
Physics Institute, University of Bern
Switzerland
STONE, Daíthí A. his page
University of Oxford
UK, Canada
STOTT, Lowell D.
Department of Earth Sciences,
University of Southern California
USA
STOTT, Peter A.
Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction
and Research, Met Offi ce
UK
STOUFFER, Ronald J.
National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration, Geophysical
Fluid Dynamics Laboratory
USA
STUBER, Nicola
Department of Meteorology,
University of Reading
UK, Germany
SUDO, Kengo (atmospheric composition change prediction research program)
Nagoya University
Japan
SUGA, Toshio * Large scale ocean circulation
* Water mass processes
* Role of the oceans in climate and climate variability

Tohoku University
Japan
SUMI, Akimasa
Center for Climate System
Research, University of Tokyo
Japan
SUPPIAH, Ramasamy
CSIRO
Australia
SWEENEY, Colm
Princeton University
USA
TADROSS, Mark
Climate Systems Analysis Group,
University of Cape Town
South Africa
TAKEMURA, Toshihiko
Research Institute for Applied
Mechanics, Kyushu University
Japan
TALLEY, Lynne D.
Scripps Institution of Oceanography,
University of California, San Diego
USA
TAMISIEA, Mark
Harvard-Smithsonian Center
for Astrophysics
USA
TAYLOR, Karl E.
Program for Climate Model Diagnosis
and Intercomparison, Lawrence
Livermore National Laboratory
USA
TEBALDI, Claudia
National Center for Atmospheric Research
USA
TENG, Haiyan
National Center for Atmospheric Research
USA, China
TENNANT, Warren
South African Weather Service
South Africa
TERRAY, Laurent
Eoropean Centre for Research and Advanced
Training in Scientifi c Computation
France
TETT, Simon
Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction
and Research, Met Offi ce
UK
TEXTOR, Christiane
Laboratoire des Sciences du
Climat et de l’Environnement
France, Germany
THOMAS, Robert H.
EG&G Technical Services, Inc. and
Centro de Estudios Cientifi cos (CECS)
USA, Chile
THOMPSON, Lonnie
Ohio State University
USA
THORNCROFT, Chris
Department of Earth and Atmospheric
Science, University at Albany, SUNY
USA, UK
THORNE, Peter
Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction
and Research, Met Offi ce
UK
TIAN, Yuhong
Georgia Institute of Technology
USA, China
TRENBERTH, Kevin E.
Climate Analysis Section, National
Center for Atmospheric Research
USA
TSELIOUDIS, George
National Aeronautics and Space
Administration, Goddard Institute for
Space Studies, Columbia University
USA, Greece
TSIMPLIS, Michael
National Oceanography Centre,
University of Southampton
UK, Greece
UNNIKRISHNAN, Alakkat S.
National Institute of Oceanography
India
UPPALA, Sakari
European Centre for Medium-
Range Weather Forecasts
ECMWF

My comments in blue. Information found by googling the scientists name.


Vast majority indeed. Would you like to retract your statement?

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It's the largest number of it's kind for this subject so yes it does sound like a large number.
What about the ~98% that didn't sign? And if large numbers impress you how about the science organizations that accept AGW?
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That kind of proves his point.
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Very true. I suggest you get as many independent books and viewpoints as possible.

One thing those books and viewpoints should at least inform you about is that the so-called controversy only exists in the US. It is kind of like the so-called controversy on Evolution. Only exists in the US.
Certainly there are people in other nations who have problems with these things...

I used to live in Ireland, both my mom and my dad's parents were immigrants from there and for a while I lived there with an aunt.

For the most part the people there follow in line with the rest of Europe in terms of the major issues. However there is always the small 1% or so who disagree.

But for the most part you are correct, the rest of the world is pretty much in line with "crazy" (lol) things like...Ohhhhh science, history, and medical fact lol.

So the crazy 1% in the rest of the developed world is actually the majority here in the U.S. on these issues and I just cant figure it out for the life of me.

We are an intelligent people in this country, but honestly I just think its either blind patriotism, too much religion blinding fact, or just such a deep rooted sense of hatred for the U.N. that people wont expand their views and open their mind on some of these things.

(btw....that 1% isnt an actual figure, im sure its higher than that although probably still a tiny number. So please people dont bother finding the actual percentage lol).
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That kind of proves his point.
I don't understand what point or how. I'm not sure if I didn't get my point across correctly or you misunderstood what I posted. Could you elaborate?
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Please tell us more about this "regular cycle" you have discovered.

You insight into this is fascinating.
temperature goes up a little for a while, then temperature goes down a little gor a while... pretty self explanitory..

but according to you: the earth in 30 years -->

right?
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Mars has also been experiencing global warming. Since man can't be a factor on that planet, doesn't it suggest that perhaps a factor other than man, i.e. the sun, is responsible for the warming on both planets?
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