You guys are missing the point with the rising temperatures.

YES it naturally goes up and down. That is true and you guys are 100% correct with that.

But look at the science that so many here have posted. It is going up UNNATURALLY high and just over the last decade or so.

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Where did I say "the earth in 30 years --> " - or anything remotely resembling that?

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I really don't understand what you think you are finding evidence of. I have been challenging those in this thread who have claimed that there are scientists who claim the AGW is not occurring - to show me some peer-reviewed scientific publications by these scientists to support this opinion. No one has done that yet.

You have linked to some papers which have suggested that there are factors which may limit the impact of AGW to be less than generally predicted, or at the lower end of what is generally predicted. Fine - I have no problem with that.

My main argument is with those that claim there is any significant scientific research suggesting that AGW is not occurring.


This is a ridiculous generalisation that does not reflect the posts I hacve made here. I have no idea what you think the "actions the enviromentalist crowd insists we make" are nor do hava any idea what Al Gore has said nor do I care. Please remember - we are not all Americans here, and many of us have no interest whatsoever about what you read in your popular media. Please stick to the point and address the content of the posts - don't go bringing your own petty prejudices into it



You had been asked been asked - but your answers made no sense or seemed to keep changing

From Post 426
What exactly is this "Industrial Age" you keep speaking of?

In post 428 you answered me:
Cooling that occured during the Industrialization of the world.
Its commonly referred to as the "Little Ice Age" as well.

The "Little Ice Age" is generally the period from the 1200s -1600s - nothing to do with - "the Industrialization of the world".

"The Industrialization of the world" - to most people would mean the period from about 1800 to the present.

Now you are saying you were referring to "the 1940s to the 1970s"

!?!?!?!

Is it any wonder we are confused? Do you have any idea what you are talking about


You posted a link to a graph with no key. A graph with no key is meaningless. It was not clear that the key to the graph lay on a completely different page.

If you want to link to a graph - link to one that has a key.

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How does it compare with the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum when the Arctic heated up to a balmy 23°C (73°F)? Or the Medieval Warm Period of 1,000 years ago?

There were no man made causes in those days, is it warmer now? Has the temperature risen faster than it did then?

Yes, there appears to have been an increase in global temperatures some 50 million years ago that was obviously not caused by anthropogenic emissions. Yes, there are many factors that may impact on the earths climate more profoundly than anthropogenic emissions.

I think it would be quite impossible to determine exactly how fast temperatures rose 50 million years ago. Why is this relevant?

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Yes - it appears that Mars has been warming, so it is a reasonable hypothesis to suggest that warming on the two planets may be linked - and as you rightly point out - the obvious answer is that the sun may be warming both planets.

If your hypothesis is correct - it would follow that there would be similar impact on all plantary bodies orbiting the sun - ie. 6 other planets and their numerous satellites and other planetoids. Is there warming on all of these other bodies?. With many bodies orbiting the sun which have a "climate" - it stands to reason that these climates will be constantly changing, some going up - some going down. Are you sure you are not just basing your hypothesis on a coincidence?

The other key to your hypothesis is to show that solar output has actually been increasing to cause this warming:

Two scientists* from the MPI for Solar System Research have calculated for the last 150 years the Sun’s main parameters affecting climate, using current measurements and the newest models: the total radiation, the ultraviolet output, and the Sun’s magnetic field (which modulates the cosmic ray intensity). They come to the conclusion that the variations on the Sun run parallel to climate changes for most of that time, indicating that the Sun has indeed influenced the climate in the past. Just how large this influence is, is subject to further investigation. However, it is also clear that since about 1980, while the total solar radiation, its ultraviolet component, and the cosmic ray intensity all exhibit the 11-year solar periodicity, there has otherwise been no significant increase in their values. In contrast, the Earth has warmed up considerably within this time period. This means that the Sun is not the cause of the present global warming.

(*Sami K. Solanki, Natalie A. Krivova
Can Solar Variability Explain Global Warming Since 1970?
Journal of Geophysical Research 108, 1200 (2003)))

http://www.mpg.de/english/illustrati...lease20040802/

Of course - if you can find a published scientific paper that argues that the warming on earth and mars are both being caused solely by the sun - I would be happy to consider it

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Global warming, it's not going to happen. Scientist are already saying the Ice Caps are 25% thicker than average, so you should be worried about Global Cooling. And besides, The earth changes all the time, what cause the first Global Warming way back then when there wasn't any humans to supposedly "Cause" it?

We didn't do anything to cause the Ice Caps to melt, or Freeze. It's part of the cycle of the Earth, nothing scientific to know that. If your so worried about Global Warming occuring, then be my guest and move to a different planet.

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Do you suggest that man made CO2 is floating across the vast voids of space and causing warming on other planets? What could cause all these planets to warm?

No, it isn't...The globe has not exceeded the temperatures set 10 years ago, in spite of all the hyped up doom and gloom climate change models of the "global warming crowd", who apparently are changing their names to the "crazy climate change crowd", now that it is obvious the globe is not warming.


From: Anthropogenic Global Warming Hoax Heats Up

By Tim Wood
04 Apr 2008 at 02:42 PM GMT-04:00
http://www.resourceinvestor.com/pebble.asp?relid=41685

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From bugalug's link:
Because Mars has no clouds, Sun can not be responsible for the increase in temperature on Mars. Evidence also suggests that the warming is not global, but regional.

"some parts" is not the same as global. "some parts" of the earth have a temperature of 100 degrees, but that does not mean the global temperature is 100 degrees.
Summer is arriving on Triton.
Pluto's current position in the solar system is the cause of its warming
If the sun was responsible for an increase in the rate of warming, then all the planets and moons should be showing signs of warming.

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