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Old 05-04-2008, 09:31 PM
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Please show me something from a reliable scientific source how we could add so much CO2 into the atmosphere during those 30 years and still have the temperature drop?
http://environment.newscientist.com/...change/dn11639

Yes - all of what MannieD said, and throw the eruption of Mt Agung in 1963 into the mix as well - and you get some explanation as to why temperatures did not rise as fast in that period as it did in the rest of the century.

Bear in mind - saying "temperature dropped" is a tad misleading. Temperatures had been rising since the beginining of last century, to a very high peak at the begining of the 1940s. The 5 year average shows an initial drop after that very high peak - and then back to consistent warming. If you were to express those temperatures as a 10 year average - that dip would probably almost disappear completely

Look at the graph:
http://environment.newscientist.com/...1639-2_808.jpg

The temperatures in the 50s and 60s - when you say the temperature "dropped" - were still a lot higher than the temperatures of 20 or 30 years earlier. There are many many factors which may have accounted for variations in the mid part of the last century - but the overwhelming trend of recent history is rising global temperature, with the 5 warmest years since the 1880s being 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2006.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/...2006_warm.html
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http://environment.newscientist.com/...change/dn11639

The temperatures in the 50s and 60s - when you say the temperature "dropped" - were still a lot higher than the temperatures of 20 or 30 years earlier. There are many many factors which may have accounted for variations in the mid part of the last century - but the overwhelming trend of recent history is rising global temperature, with the 5 warmest years since the 1880s being 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2006.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/...2006_warm.html
The spike in measured "global temperature" coincides with the shutdown of a significant portion of the world's measuring stations following the collapse of the Soviet Union, many of them cold-weather stations.

http://www.abd.org.uk/climate_change...climate_models

In the early 1970's there were approximately 15,000 temperature monitoring stations, as of the year 2000 the number was closer to 5500. How can accurate measurements be taken like that.

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Any wonder why Global Warming is considered it's junk science? Any assertions based on flawed data will in of itself be flawed. All of your date measurements were taken AFTER the bulk of the stations were shut down. Get back to me when you re-open all 15,000 monitoring stations and we can get accurate comparison measurements.
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Any wonder why Global Warming is considered it's junk science? Any assertions based on flawed data will in of itself be flawed. All of your date measurements were taken AFTER the bulk of the stations were shut down. Get back to me when you re-open all 15,000 monitoring stations and we can get accurate comparison measurements.
Even better, the scientists who collected that data have since admitted that they misread the data, and that the warmest year on record was NOT 1998. Instead, it was 1938.

The crisis associated with climate change is completely based upon propaganda and manipulated findings and results from political bribery of scientists.
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Even better, the scientists who collected that data have since admitted that they misread the data, and that the warmest year on record was NOT 1998. Instead, it was 1938.
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Even better, the scientists who collected that data have since admitted that they misread the data, and that the warmest year on record was NOT 1998. Instead, it was 1938.
Really!!!
I don't believe you.

Please show evidence
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The spike in measured "global temperature" coincides with the shutdown of a significant portion of the world's measuring stations following the collapse of the Soviet Union, many of them cold-weather stations.

http://www.abd.org.uk/climate_change...climate_models

In the early 1970's there were approximately 15,000 temperature monitoring stations, as of the year 2000 the number was closer to 5500. How can accurate measurements be taken like that.



Any wonder why Global Warming is considered it's junk science? Any assertions based on flawed data will in of itself be flawed. All of your date measurements were taken AFTER the bulk of the stations were shut down. Get back to me when you re-open all 15,000 monitoring stations and we can get accurate comparison measurements.
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I looked at the GHCN data and while the number of weather stations in the former Soviet Union did drop from about 270 to 100, but the total number fell from 5000 to 2700 so the decrease there was only a small factor in the overall decrease.
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Headline of the Weekend: Shark Attacks Blamed on Global Warming

The leftist British newspaper The Guardian carried the headline of the weekend:

Surge in fatal shark attacks blamed on global warming
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lmfao whats next? Global warming turns Barry Obamy into a conservative !!!!!
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Any wonder why Global Warming is considered it's junk science? Any assertions based on flawed data will in of itself be flawed. All of your date measurements were taken AFTER the bulk of the stations were shut down. Get back to me when you re-open all 15,000 monitoring stations and we can get accurate comparison measurements.
"Junk science" indeed!!! This coming from somebody trying to make a scientific argument with nothing but nonsense written by an economist!!!

Yes - I see you are quoting the bizarre ideas of noted non-scientist Ross McKitrick. Are you serious?!?!? Ha ha ha!

Lets look at this closely shall we?

Mr McKitrick says that the reason that there is a spike in global temperature around 1990 is because of the shutdown of of a significant portion of the world's measuring stations following the collapse of the Soviet Union, many of them cold-weather stations. As you tell us - in the early 1970's there were approximately 15,000 temperature monitoring stations, as of the year 2000 the number was closer to 5500.

Now of course, this is a shocking assertion if it is true (though why data from 9,500 Siberian weather stations would tell us what global temperature is - I'm not really sure).

Mr McKitrick obviously has all the data - because he has produced that wonderful graph that people like you like to quote ( although he has never actually published it in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, has he....what is your link - "The Association of British Drivers"!?!?!?).

Anyway, where was I - yes Mr McKitrick obviously has all the data and one would assume that with it, it would be a relatively simple task to disprove global warming theory completely. All Mr McKitrick has do do is publish his graph without the data from the 9,500 Siberian weather stations that you say have closed - and show that the data from the 5500 weather stations that have remained open shows no evidence of warming.

Could you show me where Mr McKitrick has done that?

He hasn't, has he.

And even if he did (which he hasn't) it still doesn't really explain why temperatures have been increasing since before the Soviet Union even existed, does it.

And you are the one making accusations of "Junk science"!!! Ha ha ha ha
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Really!!!
I don't believe you.

Please show evidence
Well according to NASA the warmest year is 1934.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=196484
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Well according to NASA the warmest year is 1934.

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=196484
Ha ha ha!

1934? Wasn't that the year that you said that the word "Islamofascist" was coined? Ha ha! You should learn to comprehend a bit better C-D-P. And learn to stop telling lies.

If you look at your link - you will see it is referring to US temperatures - not global temperatures as we are discussing here. I'm not sure if anyone has told you yet - but there is actually more to the world than the USA.

Oh - and BTW - have you found any of those "thousands" of scientific papers from peer-reviewed journals yet that debunk global warming theory?

That was just another of your little lies, wasn't it.
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