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Lindzen has never had his "research" peer-reviewed.
Really?

http://petesplace-peter.blogspot.com...al-of-man.html
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Lindzen has never had his "research" peer-reviewed.
I think you own Rino $200 for his research mannie. Thanks Rino. I do believe it's time to end any debate with these two. They have proven themselves unarmed.
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Why don't you show us how many of these 19,000 "scientists" have actually ever published any research in a peer-reviewed scientific journal which argues that AGW is not occuring.

Can you find even 1 for me?

The opinions of these 19,000 "scientists" doesn't really count for much if none of them have ever published any research supporting their opinions, does it.
I just couldn't resist! Here are just a few:

Signers of the Oregon Petition with Peer-Review Papers Skeptical of "Man-Made" Global Warming.



Arthur B Robinson, PhD,

Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide(Energy & Environment, Volume 10, Number 5, pp. 439-468, 1 September 1999)- Arthur B. Robinson, Noah E. Robinson, Willie Soon


Sallie L. Baliunas

Global warming(Progress in Physical Geography, 27, 448-455, 2003)- W. Soon, S. L. Baliunas


S Fred Singer, PhD,

Human Contribution to Climate Change Remains Questionable(American Geophysical Society, Vol 80, page 183-187, April 20, 1999)- S. Fred Singer


Sherwood B. Idso

Modeling climatic effects of anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions: unknowns and uncertainties. Reply to Risbey (2002)(Climate Research, Vol. 22: 187–188, 2002)- Willie Soon, Sallie Baliunas, Sherwood B. Idso, Kirill Ya. Kondratyev, Eric S. Posmentier

CO2-induced global warming: a skeptic’s view of potential climate change(Climate Research, Vol. 10: 69–82, 1998)- Sherwood B. Idso


George V. Chilingar

On global forces of nature driving the Earth's climate. Are humans involved?(Environmental Geology, Volume 50, Number 6, August, 2006)- L. F. Khilyuk and G. V. Chilingar


S Fred Singer, PhD

A comparison of tropical temperature trends with model predictions(International Journal of Climatology, 5 Dec 2007)- David H. Douglass, John R. Christy, Benjamin D. Pearson, S. Fred Singer

Altitude dependence of atmospheric temperature trends: Climate models versus observation(Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 31, L13208, 2004)- David H. Douglass, Benjamin D. Pearson, S. Fred Singer


Richard S. Lindzen

Can increasing carbon dioxide cause climate change?(Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, Vol. 94, pp. 8335-8342, August 1997)- Richard S. Lindzen


Sorry, your outta gas on this one. I could keep going.....but why?
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Huh? Try to rewrite it so it makes sense.
You can only count the people who put there names onto these things. Not the amount of people in an organisation or the amount of scientists in the world! thats retarted..
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Global Warming that is driven by anthropogenic sources is an indisputable scientific fact.

You may quibble as to what climate prediction model to use or what assumptions and aproximations to make but the cold hard facts stare us right in the face -

WE MUST DRAMATICALLY REDUCE FOSSIL FUEL CONBUSTION ON THIS PLANET
WE MUST REDUCE DE-FORESTATION ACTIVITES
INTRODUCE SUSTAINABLE and RENEWABLE ENERGY GENERATION INDUSTRIES
CHANGE THE WAY CITIES ARE BUILT AND ORGANISED


The last thing people of the world want to do is to LISTEN to the interest groups in the USA (still the only nation NOT to ratify KYOTO)

LEast of all the clowns and spin doctors that are paid by immoral global corporations like EXXON-Mobil corp to buy time and delude the public.

This time nature cant be ignored - no way out of this one I'm afraid

Either the world changes or Nature will change the world for us - and it wont be very confortable maybe not even survivable.

The Bush administration has been a total disgrace on this issue. Bush spin doctors also introduced a new way of determining the carbon emmission rates of nations.

THe total carbon emmitted by the USA is linked with GDP. So, the term "Carbon emmitted PER GDP growth" is used

THis means that if the GDP grows for the USA which it usually does (although growth now is slow or negative) then the amount of carbon can be increased.

In other words if the GDP say grows by 10% over a specific time period, then the amount of carbon emmitted can also grow by 10%. And the wonderful thing with this spin doctoring is that the US government can then Claim that the amount of carbon emitted per GDP growth has remained unchanged for this period.

Just balatant spin doctoring - AND now China and otehr nations are employing this terminology so that they can link their economic growth to carbon emmissions

Only in the USA hey - and when the US asses begin to burn from all the heat the world will hear the "boy cry wolf" - Too late then!
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WE MUST DRAMATICALLY REDUCE FOSSIL FUEL CONBUSTION ON THIS PLANET
WE MUST REDUCE DE-FORESTATION ACTIVITES
INTRODUCE SUSTAINABLE and RENEWABLE ENERGY GENERATION INDUSTRIES
CHANGE THE WAY CITIES ARE BUILT AND ORGANISED


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You start by turning of your computer and stop posting that will definately help reduce fossil fuel use.
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Global Warming that is driven by anthropogenic sources is an indisputable scientific fact.

You may quibble as to what climate prediction model to use or what assumptions and aproximations to make but the cold hard facts stare us right in the face -
Indisputable fact of science? I seem to have missed your proof of that. Do you mind providing a link to your "proof".

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One hundred and thirty-seven (137) developing countries have ratified the protocol, including Brazil, China and India, but have no obligation beyond monitoring and reporting emissions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol
no obligation beyond monitoring and reporting emissions. India and China are some of the biggest polluters, yet they have no obligations? Once you get them on board for the full program, let us know. We have to kill our economy so they can pollute all the want, not gonna happen. It's all a moot point anyway, read the article below.


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New Peer-Reviewed Scientific Studies Chill Global Warming Fears

Posted By Marc Morano – Marc_Morano@EPW.Senate.Gov – 4:44 PM ET

Washington DC – An abundance of new peer-reviewed studies, analyses, and data error discoveries in the last several months has prompted scientists to declare that fear of catastrophic man-made global warming “bites the dust” and the scientific underpinnings for alarm may be “falling apart.” The latest study to cast doubt on climate fears finds that even a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide would not have the previously predicted dire impacts on global temperatures. This new study is not unique, as a host of recent peer-reviewed studies have cast a chill on global warming fears.

“Anthropogenic (man-made) global warming bites the dust,” declared astronomer Dr. Ian Wilson after reviewing the new study which has been accepted for publication in the Journal of Geophysical Research. Another scientist said the peer-reviewed study overturned “in one fell swoop” the climate fears promoted by the UN and former Vice President Al Gore. The study entitled “Heat Capacity, Time Constant, and Sensitivity of Earth’s Climate System,” was authored by Brookhaven National Lab scientist Stephen Schwartz.

http://www.ecd.bnl.gov/steve/pubs/HeatCapacity.pdf

“Effectively, this (new study) means that the global economy will spend trillions of dollars trying to avoid a warming of ~ 1.0 K by 2100 A.D.” Dr. Wilson wrote in a note to the Senate Environment & Public Works Committee on August 19, 2007. Wilson, a former operations astronomer at the Hubble Space Telescope Institute in Baltimore MD, was referring to the trillions of dollars that would be spent under such international global warming treaties like the Kyoto Protocol.
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"This message has been deleted by bugalugs."

If I may ask. Why did you delete your post, and then not respond with something else?
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Global Warming that is driven by anthropogenic sources is an indisputable scientific fact.
No its not.

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You may quibble as to what climate prediction model to use or what assumptions and aproximations to make but the cold hard facts stare us right in the face -

WE MUST DRAMATICALLY REDUCE FOSSIL FUEL CONBUSTION ON THIS PLANET
WE MUST REDUCE DE-FORESTATION ACTIVITES
INTRODUCE SUSTAINABLE and RENEWABLE ENERGY GENERATION INDUSTRIES
CHANGE THE WAY CITIES ARE BUILT AND ORGANISED
Pointless waste of money with no real justification.

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The last thing people of the world want to do is to LISTEN to the interest groups in the USA (still the only nation NOT to ratify KYOTO)
Kyoto is bull i hope it destroys all the countries gullible enough to sign it.

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LEast of all the clowns and spin doctors that are paid by immoral global corporations like EXXON-Mobil corp to buy time and delude the public.
Science is science if coal funded research finds evidence its not real then it's not real. You can't fake science if what there saying has no basis it will be torn apart much like your retarted theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming.

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This time nature cant be ignored - no way out of this one I'm afraid
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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Either the world changes or Nature will change the world for us - and it wont be very confortable maybe not even survivable.
You wish the apocalypse was coming lol keep dreaming..

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The Bush administration has been a total disgrace on this issue. Bush spin doctors also introduced a new way of determining the carbon emmission rates of nations.

THe total carbon emmitted by the USA is linked with GDP. So, the term "Carbon emmitted PER GDP growth" is used

THis means that if the GDP grows for the USA which it usually does (although growth now is slow or negative) then the amount of carbon can be increased.

In other words if the GDP say grows by 10% over a specific time period, then the amount of carbon emmitted can also grow by 10%. And the wonderful thing with this spin doctoring is that the US government can then Claim that the amount of carbon emitted per GDP growth has remained unchanged for this period.
Good.

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Only in the USA hey - and when the US asses begin to burn from all the heat the world will hear the "boy cry wolf" - Too late then!
The wolf ain't coming boy face it. It's also never been hot enough since life was on earth to 'burn asses'

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