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Old 05-13-2008, 02:39 PM
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We can't accurately predict whether it's going to rain or not a week from now. We can't accurately predict what the weather will look like next year (Remember that in 2005, they were predicting we'd be hammered with non-stop hurricanes in 2006 because of global warming. It didn't happen). Since that's the case, how can we possibly have any confidence in predictions of what the weather will be like in 50-100 years? If there is no confidence in the predictions can we justify spending billions on them?
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OK, let's see, there are dozens and dozens and dozens of scientists who say that they don't like what the IPCC is saying about what they wrote on the GW Debate.
That you don't have a problem with.
Out of the several dozens that were featured in the movie, 2 says they don't like how their comments were used.
Ah, the whole thing is trash, everyone is lying.

Yes I see your logic, you filter out anything you don't want to hear. ... What was that, "lalalalalalalalalala" Yeah right, take your hands off your ears, and listen.
Durkin admitted that he used fabricated evidence in that movie
http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...le-440116.html

Yes I see your logic, you filter out anything you don't want to hear. ... What was that, "lalalalalalalalalala" Yeah right, take your hands off your ears, and listen.
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We can't accurately predict whether it's going to rain or not a week from now. We can't accurately predict what the weather will look like next year (Remember that in 2005, they were predicting we'd be hammered with non-stop hurricanes in 2006 because of global warming. It didn't happen). Since that's the case, how can we possibly have any confidence in predictions of what the weather will be like in 50-100 years? If there is no confidence in the predictions can we justify spending billions on them?
Who predicted in 2005 we'd be hammered with non-stop hurricanes in 2006 because of global warming?

Who is predicting what the weather will be like in 50-100 years?

Do you know the difference between "climate" and "weather"?
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Old 05-13-2008, 05:54 PM
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Actually a few years after this was passed, Mt. Pinatubo in the Philippines blew up and spewed Billions on tons of CFC's into the Atmosphere, within a year, there was a huge hole in the Ozone layer above the Volcano, then the following year, it closed itself off and within 5 years, the hole in the Arctic was smaller than it had ever been observed (which is why you don't see it in the news anymore). Turns out that Solar radiation is what makes Ozone. Kind of like saying we're going to run out of water if it keeps raining. No, the water will evaporate, make new clouds and it will rain again! Guess what, same with the Ozone layer.

Another one of your theories bites the dust. What's funny though, is that the new stuff, that they replaced the CFC's with, contribute more to "Global Warming" than the old CFC's ever did. Hehehe, oh well, that's what happens when you call for change on something you don't understand.

Where will you be when the Glaciers start marching South Again? We know it's happened in the past, and so it WILL happen again. Won't you feel silly when it does.
Wow - another expert!

First - Mt. Pinatubo did not spew billions on tons of CFC's into the atmosphere. CFCs are man-made. Mt Pinatubo spewed billions of tonnes of sulfate aerosols, which reacted with CFCs in the ozone layer to casue ozone depletion

Second - Yes, of course solar radiation creates ozone. CFCs and other chemicals break it down. Since the Montreal Protocol and subsequent ban on production of CFCs - the ozone hole has been slowly repairing.

The point of mentioning CFCs was to highlight the silliness of Prof Peabody's ideas that CO2 is harmeless because it is in small concentrations. CFCs occur in extremely small concentrations in the atmostphere - yet the damage that have caused (and still continue to cause) has been clearly demonstrated.
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Wow, another expert!

CFCs AKA Haloalkanes, are emitted by volcanoes.

They are not just man made.
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CFCs AKA Haloalkanes, are emitted by volcanoes.

They are not just man made.
Your comprehension skills are letting you down again.

All CFCs are Haloalkanes, but not all Haloalkanes are CFCs.

Mt. Pinatubo (or any other volcano) did not spew billions on tons of CFC's into the atmosphere.

The atmospheric CFCs responsible for th ebreakdown of the ozone layer are man made.
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Your comprehension skills are letting you down again.

All CFCs are Haloalkanes, but not all Haloalkanes are CFCs.

Mt. Pinatubo (or any other volcano) did not spew billions on tons of CFC's into the atmosphere.

The atmospheric CFCs responsible for th ebreakdown of the ozone layer are man made.
Another chicken little myth...unless the Ozone layer knew we banned CFC's and started repairing itself the very next day...or was that just a coincidence?
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Durkin admitted that he used fabricated evidence in that movie
http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...le-440116.html
Martin Durkin, who wrote and directed the film, admitted yesterday that one of the graphs contained serious errors but he said they were corrected in time for the second transmission of the programme following inquiries by The Independent.

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Yes I see your logic, you filter out anything you don't want to hear. ... What was that, "lalalalalalalalalala" Yeah right, take your hands off your ears, and listen.
Yes I see your logic, one mistake impunes the whole movie. Only because you'd like it to.
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If greenhouse gases produced by mankind are behind the roughly one degree increase in temperature over the last century, then why did the global temperature go down from roughly 1940 to 1975 even though mankind's production of greenhouse gases was skyrocketing during that same time period?
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Your comprehension skills are letting you down again.

All CFCs are Haloalkanes, but not all Haloalkanes are CFCs.

Mt. Pinatubo (or any other volcano) did not spew billions on tons of CFC's into the atmosphere.

The atmospheric CFCs responsible for th ebreakdown of the ozone layer are man made.
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