McIntyre might not be a climate scientist, but he is statistician, so why do you have such a problem with him proving that the Hockey Stick manipulated datasources to get its shape?

Arguing with you is pointless because you refuse to discuss the science or accept any source I provide. So why bother with you? I've shown you where the debate is, where your argument down-right sucks, if you aren't going to listen or have a discussion with me, there's no reason for you to complain.

Global Warming is a hoax.

There are little words there that say (link). You take your mouse in your hand, position the little arrow on your screen over the word link. raise your finger and depress the left mouse button twice and it takes you to another webpage. You then read that page and unfortunately you may have to proceed to another page where the paper is likely in a .pdf file. I know it's hard work, but try to keep a stiff upper lip old boy.

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If Obama couldn't lead such a small organization as the Chicago Annenberg Challenge to success, how can any one bellieve he can lead this country to it?

Next there will be a personal attack.

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Someone hijacked my sig again.

I read your links.

But still - as I said, we're still waiting, where are the scientific papers saying ath AGW is not occurring?

Lets look at the links from that page shall we?

The study entitled “Heat Capacity, Time Constant, and Sensitivity of Earth’s Climate System,” was authored by Brookhaven National Lab scientist Stephen Schwartz. (LINK)
- this was addressed here Peabody - History of the Kyoto Treaty
when you tried to use that paper as a source before. It has been completely discredited in a peer-reviewed journal.

Motl wrote in an August 17, 2007 blog post. (LINK) - a blog post

Joel Schwartz in an August 17, 2007 blog post. (LINK) - more from the discredited Schwartz, from a blog


Paleoclimate scientist Bob Carter, who has testified before the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works (LINK), noted in a June 18, 2007 essay that global warming has stopped. - not published research - just opinion, from an Australin representative of the coal industry

“The accepted global average temperature statistics used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change show that no ground-based warming has occurred since 1998. Oddly, this eight-year-long temperature stasis has occurred despite an increase over the same period of 15 parts per million (or 4 per cent) in atmospheric CO2. Second, lower atmosphere satellite-based temperature measurements, if corrected for non-greenhouse influences such as El Nino events and large volcanic eruptions, show little if any global warming since 1979, a period over which atmospheric CO2 has increased by 55 ppm (17 %),” (LINK)
- from an opinion piece by Bob Carter in a Brisbane newspaper




In August 2007, the UK Met Office was finally forced to concede the obvious: global warming has stopped. (LINK) - Link is another opinion piece by the non-scientist Marc Morano



Further, the sea surface temperatures over world oceans are slowly declining since mid-1998, according to a recent world-wide analysis of ocean surface temperatures," Dr. Khandekar explained. (LINK) - yet another newspaper opinion piece


real global warming won’t start until 2009,” Conklin wrote in an August 10, 2007 blog post on his website. (LINK) - a blog

"Half of the variability in the climate system is not predictable, so we don’t expect to do terrifically well," Renwick conceded. (LINK) - yet another opinion piece, this time from old Vincy Grey's New Zealand "Climate Science Coalition"

There is no estimate, even probabilistically, as to the likelihood of any emissions scenario and no best guess." (LINK) - ...and another blog

IPCC reviewer and climate researcher Dr Vincent Gray, of New Zealand, an expert reviewer on every single draft of the IPCC reports going back to 1990 and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of "Climate Change 2001," declared “The claims of the IPCC are dangerous unscientific nonsense” in an April 10, 2007 article. (LINK) - a press release from the New Zealand "Climate Science Coalition"


"I am of the opinion that most scientists engaged in the design, development, and tuning of climate models are in fact software engineers. They are unlicensed, hence unqualified to sell their products to society," Tennekes wrote on February 28, 2007. (LINK) - a non peer-reviewed article for Scientific American


1) New peer-reviewed study finds global warming over last century linked to natural causes:... (LINK) - yes, of course global warming is linked to natural causes. This paper is not arguing in any way that AGW is not occurring

2) Belgian weather institute’s (RMI) August 2007 ... (LINK) - another link to a blog - no actual text of what the report actually said..


..sorry, no time to finish this now - will have to get back to it. But seriously?!?!?! Is this the best you can do? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? This stuff is all garbage!

You keep trying to tell us that AGW is not happening and there are apparently scientists who support this opinion. WHERE IS THEIR PUBLISHED RESEARCH????? Why can you only give us blogs or newspaper opinions? Don't you realise how stupid that is? Scientists publish research. where is Bob Carter's, or Vincent Grey's or Tim Ball's or Robert Lindzen's research? Why do they only publish blogs?

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Not from me, I'm just trying to help. He made remarks demanding information, even when the links to the information he doesn't want to see is handed to him. I am simply being informative on how he can find what he is asking for as he apparently can't seem to find it for himself. What can I say about that. Is there something wrong with trying to be helpful? If there is I will apologize.

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Please show proof these are NOT peer reviewed research for each one you claim isn't?

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If Obama couldn't lead such a small organization as the Chicago Annenberg Challenge to success, how can any one bellieve he can lead this country to it?

McIntyre may have found errors in Manns method - but there have been numerous other model based reconstructions have been consistent with Mann's results. Is McIntyre's criticism of Mann the only thing you have to base your whole "no-AGW" argument on?!?! Why is it even that relevant? Do you think that all AGW theory is based on Mann?

Basicalyl though, I will not accept any source you provide, because you can only provide links to blogs or newspaper opinion pieces. I am still waiting for you to base an argument on some actual published research.

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Huh?!?!? You post links to blogs and newspaper opinion pieces - and you want me to prove they are not peer-reviewed research?!?! What are you talking about?

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No - you are posting links to worthless opinion pieces. I asked for scientific literature

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