Guru
So lets assume its all a lie
Lets assume for a brief moment that the concern over global climate change is a vast left wing conspiracy [designed to destroy our freedoms, and apple pie], how would that effect policy?
How do you feel about the movement away from fossil fuels? Mileage requirements? Emissions restrictions? Solar subsidies? etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
I am just curious because the "denier" movement makes very little sense. Surprising because I was a Libertarian for quite some time.
Just because I find your religion silly does not mean I am an atheist.
Save us both the time and refrain from clicking Reply if you are going to address me as a such.
There is no love in Fear.
Guru
even better lets assume it is all true. WTF you plan to do about it? eliminate 80% of the human race and tel the other 20% to go live in huts ala 1500 AD? With no electricity, hospitals, or schools and go hunt and forage for their food?
wind and solar are jokes - just ask the UK. They are having to build LNG plants to make up power for the failure of their wind farms
without modern farming equipment and transportation there will be no food
people everywhere need to warm their homes in winter and a good portion of us here in the south are addicted to having AC in the summer
best learn to adapt to the climate cause you sure as heck ain't going to change it
Last edited by jackdog; Jul 28 2011 at 11:52 AM.
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Guru
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No one is suggesting that modern farming be removed, barring people from heating or cooling their homes.
Why are solar and wind jokes? I'm curious.
Just because I find your religion silly does not mean I am an atheist.
Save us both the time and refrain from clicking Reply if you are going to address me as a such.
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Guru
it's called grasping at straws....and it's political, it's a socialist plot to steal money led by al bore!...never a mention that GWB is a huge promoter of wind power...Originally Posted by Wolverine
Last edited by wyly; Jul 28 2011 at 03:52 PM.
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Guru
the wind does not blow consistently the sun does not shine 24 and 7 however the grid does need a steady source of power. In the UK they discovered they need to have gas turbines running at idle and able to take over when the wind is not blowing hard enough or when it is blowing too hard. The real kicker is a gas turbine plant generates more Co2 at idle than it does when running at 100%
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/ar...#ixzz1REPL2LdQ
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01...nance_worries/
wind vs gas turbines in Australia
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view...le=8559&page=0
Last edited by jackdog; Jul 28 2011 at 04:07 PM.
"America is more than just a place...it's an idea. It's the only country founded on an idea. 'Our rights come from nature and God, not government.' We promise equal opportunity, not equal outcomes." - Paul Ryan
Guru
Kook opinion pieces by propagandists like
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...stopher_Booker
or those with clear conflicts of interest in the nuclear industry (a low carbon competitor to renewables).
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tom_Quirk
doesn't cut it.
Intermittency has a variety of solutions, some already being implemented quite effectively.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermi..._intermittency
Also, London Array, the subject your 2009 article from your Murdoch-owned news source, is progressing very well. After Shell dropped out, they achieved necessary financing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Array
Renewable energy tends to cost more up front (especially offshore wind), but guess what? The fuel is free.
Last edited by gmb92; Jul 28 2011 at 04:16 PM.
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Budget surplus inherited by Bush: $236 billion (CBO, 2000)
Budget deficit inherited by Obama: $1,667 billion (CBO projection, 3/2009)
Guru
and the sun still does not shine 24 and 7 and the wind does not blow at a steady 11 mph 24 and 7 GMB. If the best you can do is attack the source and post cereal box science form wikipedia then you have already lost the debate.
if you think the problem with wind and solar is anywhere near solved show me something that is not taken from one of your tabloid sources that would supply a city the size of Cleavland with enough power to enable it to get through7 days of cloudy windless days. Then fax it to the people in the UK, they would appreciate it I am sure. They have already been raped for subsidies for the frigging wind mills now they are told they are going to be raped again to build gas turbines cause the wind does not blow all the time.
Last edited by jackdog; Jul 28 2011 at 04:26 PM.
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It is a left wing conspiracy. Look at the signatures of all the people who defend AGW. All leftie sigs.
Guru
That does not indicate a conspiracy, by the same token I can claim that there is a vast right wing conspiracy to cover up and suppress the GLC movement.
Just because I find your religion silly does not mean I am an atheist.
Save us both the time and refrain from clicking Reply if you are going to address me as a such.
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What is a GLC movement?
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