They fight nothing, the treat it it with deserved contempt.Quote:
Originally Posted by ptif219
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They fight nothing, the treat it it with deserved contempt.Quote:
Originally Posted by ptif219
They show they are not scientists when they refuse to release data. The data should be public knowledge. What we see is not science but a liberal agenda pretending to be science.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colonel K
If it is science release all the data and stop the corruption and lies.
I read it, you did not understand it...Quote:
Originally Posted by ptif219
whoop-de-doo there are solar cycles! now tell us something we don't know(apparently you're the only one who didn't) solar cycles that haven't shown any correlation to increasing temp, regardless what part of the cycle we've been in lower or higher average global temps have been climbing...
You and you're denier bolg from the Daily Mail (not NASA) made this BS claim...Quote:
NASA says no warming for last 15 years
whereas the Legitimate NASA website had this to say...you and your hero from the Daily Mail mislead/spun the facts...Quote:
nine of the 10 warmest years in the modern meteorological record have occurred since the year 2000.
you don't even understand the implications of the solar minimum, we've come out the deepest solar minimum in a century and still those years are still among the 10 warmest years on record...then you use the denier smoke and mirrors trick of showing short term data and spin it as long term indicator "no warming"...take a step back and the data reveals an unmistakable long term warming, and solar minimums within the those years had no effect in stopping the warming, in fact some of those solar minimum are among the warmest years ever...
http://sciencedude.ocregister.com/fi...styearsRD2.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_op1iTgp9NZ...comparison.jpg
You want data? You want data sources? I will give you data sources:Quote:
Originally Posted by ptif219
- Climate data (raw)
- Climate data (processed)
- Paleo-data
- Auxiliary data
- Paleo Reconstructions (including code)
- Large-scale model (Reanalysis) output
- Large-scale model (GCM) output
- Model codes (GCMs)
- Model codes (other)
- Data Visualisation and Analysis
- Master Repositories of climate and other Earth Science data
- GHCN v.2 (Global Historical Climate Network: weather station records from around the world, temperature and precipitation)
- USHCN US. Historical Climate Network (v.1 and v.2)
- World Monthly Surface Station Climatology UCAR
- Antarctic weather stations
- European weather stations (ECA)
- Italian Meterological Society IMS
- Satellite feeds (AMSU, SORCE (Solar irradiance), NASA A-train, Ocean Color)
- Tide Gauges (Proudman Oceanographic Lab)
- World Glacier Monitoring Service
- Argo float data
- International Comprehensive Ocean/Atmosphere Data Set (ICOADS) (Oceanic in situ observations)
- AERONET Aerosol information
- Arctic data from the Cooperative Arctic Data and Information Service (CADIS)
- Surface temperature anomalies (GISTEMP (see also Clear Climate Code), HadCRU (alternate site), NOAA NCDC, JMA, Berkeley Earth)
- Satellite temperatures (MSU) (UAH, RSS, Zou et al)
- Sea surface temperatures (Reynolds et al, OI)
- Stratospheric temperature
- Sea ice (Cryosphere Today, NSIDC, JAXA, Bremen, Arctic-Roos, DMI)
- Radiosondes (RAOBCORE, HadAT, U. Wyoming, RATPAC, IUK, Sterin (CDIAC), Angell (CDIAC) )
- Cloud and radiation products (ISCCP, CERES-ERBE)
- Sea level (U. Colorado, NOAA)
- Aerosols (AEROCOM, GACP)
- Greenhouse Gases (AGGI at NOAA, CO2 Mauna Loa, World Data Center for Greenhouse Gases, AIRS CO2 data (2003+))
- AHVRR data as used in Steig et al (2009)
- Snow Cover (Rutgers)
- GLIMS glacier database
- Ocean Heat Content (NODC)
- Ocean CO2 (CDIAC)
- GCOS Essential Climate Variables Index
- NOAA Climate Indicators State of the Climate 2009
- NOAA Paleoclimate
- Pangaea
- GRIP/NGRIP Ice cores (Denmark)
- GISP2 (note that the age model has been updated)
- National Geophysical Data Center (NGDC)
- Insolation (i.e. Milankovitch cycles): Lasker (2004), Berger and Loutre (1991), Huybers (2006)
Solar System Calculations (JPL Horizons)
- Reconstructions index and data (NOAA)
- Mann et al (2008) (also here, Mann et al (2009))
- Kaufmann et al (2009)
- Wahl and Ammann (2006)
- Mann et al (1998/1999)
- ERA40 (1957-2001, from ECMWF)
- ERA-Interim (1989 – present, ECMWF’s latest project)
- NCEP (1948-present, NOAA), NCEP-2
- MERRA NASA GSFC
- JRA-25 (1979-2004, Japanese Met. Agency)
- North American Regional Reanalysis (NARR)
- 20th Century Reanalysis (1871-2008)
- CMIP3 output (~20 models, as used by IPCC AR4) at PCMDI
- GISS ModelE output (includes AR4 output as well as more specific experiments)
- GFDL Model output
more:
Model codes (GCMs)
Downloadable codes for some of the GCMs.
- GISS ModelE (AR4 version, current snapshot)
- NCAR CCSM(Version 3.0, CCM3 (older vintage))
- EdGCM Windows based version of an older GISS model.
- Uni. Hamburg (SAM, PUMA and PLASIM)
- NEMO Ocean Model
- GFDL Models
- MIT GCM
- Radiative Transfer models (AER RRTM)
- Rahmstorf (2007) Sea Level Rise Code
- Vermeer & Rahmstorf (2009) Sea Level Rise Code and Data
- ModTran (atmospheric radiation calculations and visualisations)
- Various climate-related online models (David Archer)
- Integrated Assessment Models (IAMs) (FUND, FAIR, DICE, RICE)
- CliMT a Python-based software component toolkit
- Pyclimate Python tools for climate analysis
- CDAT Tools for analysing climate data in netcdf format (PCMDI)
- RegEM (Tapio Schneider)
- Time series analysis (MTM-SVD, SSA-MTM toolkit, Mann and Lees (1996))
- MAGICC
- ClimateExplorer (KNMI)
- Dapper (PMEL, NOAA)
- Ingrid (IRI/LDEO Climate data library)
- Giovanni (GSFC)
- Wood for Trees: Interactive graphics (temperatures)
- IPCC Data Visualisations
- Regional IPCC model output
- Climate Wizard
Master Repositories of Climate Data
Much bigger indexes of data sources:
- Global Change Master Directory (GSFC)
- PAGES data portal
- NCDC (National Climate Data Center)
- IPCC Data
- NCAR’s ClimateDataGuide
- Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center, Oak Ridge National Lab: Atmospheric trace gas concentrations, historical carbon emissions, and more
- CRU Data holdings
- Hadley Centre Observational holdings
- UCAR Climate Data Guide
The above list is from a page on Realclimate
OK, ptif. You have your data. Now show us you can do something with it besides falsely claiming that scientists do not release their data. Take a set of data, any set and show us how informed you are and make use of the data. Show you can analyze it. Do something with the data or (*)(*)(*)(*)!
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Originally Posted by wyly
Read the article you are taking it out of context. The met data shows no warming. NASA says low solar activity may cause cooling.
The pages does not work. The point is scientists want to hide information and refuse to release information. That is not science that is data manipulation to put forward a false agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannieD
Science would release data with out being asked. The corruption and manipulation shows this is more politics and no science.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/0...etting-colder/
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/11582
http://isthereglobalcooling.com/
Maybe you should learn how to use a mouse.Quote:
Originally Posted by ptif219
First link:
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The links will not work.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannieD
I notice you have no comment on my links.
I will repeat this one more time. The OP uses the Met office data on temp. It states NASA for low solar activity that may cause cooling
So you are presented with the data and do not know how to even dl the data. I would say that shows ignorance on your part; not deception by the scientists.Quote:
Originally Posted by ptif219