Printable View
The links do not open that is not my fault. Instead show the actual data. I have shown proof warming has not been what some claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannieD
You also do not answer the fact that this is not science when they hide data and will not release it.
This data should be public knowledge not hidden. That tells me they are manipulating data and this is more a political agenda and has little to do with science.
Of course it is your "fault". You do not know how to deal with the file format with which the data is presented. The files are not hidden. Scientists have no responsibility to teach you how to open or download files. Scientists have no responsibility to teach you how to use the data. Scientists have no responsibility to teach you how to program. The data is there for you to use if you know how. If you do not, it is your responsibility to go educate yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by ptif219
Do conservatives not believe in personal responsibility? Do you want the government to hold your hand and teach you how to use the computer?
You link does not work on my mac.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannieD
There are articles where GW organizations refuse to release data and have to be taken to court. That shows this is not science for scientists would release data
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10666256
http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2011...a_climate.html
Not my, nor any scientist's problem. Do you believe in personal responsibility? Learn to use your Mac. Neither I, nor the government, will teach you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ptif219
From your link:"The lobby of climate sceptics and Act Party have long criticised Niwa over its temperature data, which Niwa says is mainstream science and not controversial, and the raw data publicly available."Quote:
Originally Posted by ptif219
"Last week, the CIA categorically denied (pdf) a request under the Freedom of Information Act for a copy of any Center studies or reports concerning the impacts of global warming."Quote:
Originally Posted by ptif219
CIA, not scientists, denied info request. Contact the CIA and (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) to them.
Unlike atmospheric CO2 content and temperature, your credibility continues to decline.
Learn to post a link that works or cut and paste.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannieD
The truth is the GW community only releases what they can back up. Anything that is against GW is not released. Scientist have become political pawns of the UN and governments.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...data/?page=all
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Free...scientists.htm
http://nlpc.org/stories/2011/11/22/i...-money-can-buy
Data manipulation refusing to release data. This is not science it is corruption and politics
It is really a shame that AGW denier cultists are so ignorant, gullible and retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by ptif219
Met Office in the Media: 29 January 2012
29 01 2012
(government publication - free to reproduce - not under copyright)
Today the Mail on Sunday published a story written by David Rose entitled “Forget global warming – it’s Cycle 25 we need to worry about”.
This article includes numerous errors in the reporting of published peer reviewed science undertaken by the Met Office Hadley Centre and for Mr. Rose to suggest that the latest global temperatures available show no warming in the last 15 years is entirely misleading.
Despite the Met Office having spoken to David Rose ahead of the publication of the story, he has chosen to not fully include the answers we gave him to questions around decadal projections produced by the Met Office or his belief that we have seen no warming since 1997.
For clarity I have included our full response to David Rose below:
A spokesman for the Met Office said:
“The ten year projection remains groundbreaking science. The complete period for the original projection is not over yet and these projections are regularly updated to take account of the most recent data.
“The projections are probabilistic in nature, and no individual forecast should be taken in isolation. Instead, several decades of data will be needed to assess the robustness of the projections.
“However, what is absolutely clear is that we have continued to see a trend of warming, with the decade of 2000-2009 being clearly the warmest in the instrumental record going back to 1850. Depending on which temperature records you use, 2010 was the warmest year on record for NOAA NCDC and NASA GISS, and the second warmest on record in HadCRUT3.”
http://metofficenews.files.wordpress...ng?w=459&h=326
Global average temperatures from 1850 to 2011
from the three individual global temperature datasets
(Met Office/UEA HadCRUT3, NASA GISS and NOAA NCDC)
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/im...atures-ls2.jpg
Furthermore despite criticism of a paper published by the Met Office he chose not to ask us to respond to his misconceptions. The study in question, supported by many others, provides an insight into the sensitivity of our climate to changes in the output of the sun.
It confirmed that although solar output is likely to reduce over the next 90 years this will not substantially delay expected increases in global temperatures caused by greenhouse gases. The study found that the expected decrease in solar activity would only most likely cause a reduction in global temperatures of 0.08 °C. This compares to an expected warming of about 2.5 °C over the same period due to greenhouse gases (according to the IPCC’s B2 scenario for greenhouse gas emissions that does not involve efforts to mitigate emissions). In addition the study also showed that if solar output reduced below that seen in the Maunder Minimum – a period between 1645 and 1715 when solar activity was at its lowest observed level – the global temperature reduction would be 0.13C.
Imagine that the GW propagandists claiming their own figures are wrong. nice try but i do not believe them the have a history of corruption.Quote:
Originally Posted by livefree
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/2...c-caught-cold/
Latest.....Unusually powerful storm hit city of Iwamizawa (Japan) on Monday. Kills many. Roofs collapsing, stoves knocked over causing blazes. Bus and train services suspended...No estimate of snow volume as blizzard knocked out measuring equipment.
http://english.ntdtv.com/ntdtv_en/ne...eps-japan.html
In your denier cult myths maybe but in the real world....Quote:
Originally Posted by ptif219
Climategate's raw data released to the public
July 31, 2011
(excerpts)
In 2009 the Climate Research Centre (CRU) at the University of East Anglia in Norwich, UK was accused of withholding and manipulating data. But while it was later cleared of the charges, the accusations still put a serious dent in the credibility of not just climate researchers, but researchers in general. For those of you wondering who was wrong and who was right in this so-called climategate now is your chance, since the CRU has released the raw data that was at the center of it all.
The temperature records comprise data that go back 150 years from 5113 weather stations. It would have been 5132 stations were it not for Poland refusing to allow their records to be made public. CRU's pro-vice-chancellor for research, Trevor Davies gives as the most important reason for releasing the data, dispelling the myths that they are being secretive and the data have been inappropriately manipulated. And maybe most importantly to show that there is indeed evidence that global temperature is increasing.
(In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.)
LOLOLOLOLOLOL.....you're acting very confused and clueless again.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ptif219
The CRU definitely was not "claiming their own figures are wrong"
They are saying that the idiotic denier cult article you quoted was full of errors (and BS) and that it totally misinterpreted their data and findings.
The source for the supposed 'data' in your article has refuted the article. Are you too lost in your delusions to get that?