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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxcutter View Post
    The worst of possible worlds (given the ad hominem atmosphere here): A NYT blog.
    Yeah, but it's a car blog. You know. NASCAR?

    The Top 5 Tactics of climate denial:
    1. Cherry Picking 2. Fake Experts 3. Impossible Expectations 4. Misrepresenting the Science & Logical Fallacies 5. Conspiracy Theories

    Diethelm & Mckee 2009

    Honesty is not on the list.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxcutter View Post
    There are more Veyrons on the road than Teslas.

    Does Tesla make any money, or are they headed down the same path as Fisker?
    300 veyrons sold, 900+ Tesla's sold another 6,500 presold...do you ever tire of being wrong...
    “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”-John Stuart Mills

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    Is that why there are still waiting lists for the Leaf?

    Or why the Volt outsells the Corvette? Guess that proves America hates sports cars.

    Yeah, it's still too expensive for the average consumer. Give it time. Early adopters always pay a premium. They're both sweet vehicles, but a little too pricey. Couple years, when the price is down and any bugs worked out, I'll probably bite.
    the only thing preventing me from buying electric/hybrid is price and that's coming down quickly...mileage is already adequate, Mrs wyly could easily commute to work for a week before needing to recharge, with an overnight recharge once a week she would never need to buy gas again...with fuel somewhere around $1+ per liter now and may rise to $1.50 per liter by summer electric/hybrids are going to become cost effective very soon...
    Last edited by wyly; Mar 02 2012 at 08:44 PM.
    “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”-John Stuart Mills

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    Quote Originally Posted by livefree View Post
    Wrong again. IC engines that use fossil fuels are on their way out.
    Nope, they are getting better and better and since we have over 200 years of oil at present usage they aren't going anywhere for a LONG time to come.

    Electric vehicles are far more efficient and cheaper to operate. Battery technology is improving by leaps and bounds and will soon be taking cars 400 miles
    It's not much better than it was 50 years ago. Short range long charging times.

    or so on a single charge at a fraction of the cost of the gasoline that would be needed for such a trip.
    When you add it the additional cost it is not that much cheaper. When we finally start taxing them for road use the difference will almost go away completely.

    Internal combustion engines using hydrogen may continue to be part of our transportation systems but gasoline and diesel engines will almost completely disappear in the foreseeable future.
    Bio-diesel will be here forever. In the US alone we have over 200 years of oil at present use rates.
    ""The power to do good is also the power to do harm."
    Milton Friedman
    ."

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    I see where GM halted production of the Chevy Volt and laid off 1,200 people.

    Who would want a car where the desin process was dominated by Nancy Pelosi?
    ObamaTax Delendum Est

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxcutter View Post
    I see where GM halted production of the Chevy Volt and laid off 1,200 people.

    Who would want a car where the desin process was dominated by Nancy Pelosi?
    wrong once again...a 5 week pause in production to allow sales to clear off inventory....


    Bragman said "inventory corrections" like the one GM announced are "not unusual at all." He said the buzz surrounding the Volt makes routine decisions newsworthy.

    "The only reason this is making headlines," he said, "is because it's the Volt."


    http://www.latimes.com/business/auto...,5159035.story
    “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”-John Stuart Mills

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesguy View Post
    Nope, they are getting better and better and since we have over 200 years of oil at present usage they aren't going anywhere for a LONG time to come.
    Where did you get that number? Wikipedia says 64 years.

    The Top 5 Tactics of climate denial:
    1. Cherry Picking 2. Fake Experts 3. Impossible Expectations 4. Misrepresenting the Science & Logical Fallacies 5. Conspiracy Theories

    Diethelm & Mckee 2009

    Honesty is not on the list.


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    Ford paused production of the Excursion and they made Excursions at eight times the rate of Chevy Volt AND made a good per unit profit.

    But cars...for the most part is a volume biz. Gotta have volume to justify that factory.
    ObamaTax Delendum Est

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesguy View Post
    Nope, they are getting better and better and since we have over 200 years of oil at present usage they aren't going anywhere for a LONG time to come.
    The price of gas is going to continue to rise. The world does not have "over 200 years of oil at present usage". That's complete nonsense. Internal combustion cars are going to be replace fairly rapidly by the much cheaper to maintain and operate next-generation electric vehicles that are about to come on the market within a few years.



    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesguy View Post
    It's not much better than it was 50 years ago. Short range long charging times.
    I guess it's obvious that you haven't actually read this thread or you would know better. Try reading this if you want to know the current facts on EV batteries. Long range, short charging times, much cheaper.
    The Future of Transportation




    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesguy View Post
    When you add it the additional cost it is not that much cheaper. When we finally start taxing them for road use the difference will almost go away completely.
    Ignorant BS. You have no idea what you're talking about.



    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesguy View Post
    Bio-diesel will be here forever.
    Bio-diesel from algae or something may well stay in use for some time, particularly for some specialized applications, but electric vehicles will still be cheaper to run and maintain and will be preferred for most uses.
    "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;
    that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."

    -- John Kenneth Galbraith

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyly View Post
    wrong once again...a 5 week pause in production to allow sales to clear off inventory....
    Because it hasn't even come close to projections.
    ""The power to do good is also the power to do harm."
    Milton Friedman
    ."

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