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Old 11-18-2007, 01:38 PM
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After 60 years of operation of plants all over the country, do you know what the number of civilian deaths from them outside the plants is? ZERO. What proof would you have?
Man, here in the Pacific Northwest, people are still talking about Hanford. Which is good, 'cause apparently, the rest of you have stopped.
The number of civilian deaths from outside the Hanford site after 64 years of operation? ZERO.

The Hanford site wasn't a commercial nuclear reactor, but a gigantic factory system to make bomb material during WWII and the cold war - the two are not comparable.
I know people who have received settlements due to the deaths of relatives from Hanford. It's not an uncommon phenomenon around here. Civilians were made sick because the water, after being irradiated for a while, was being released back into the river. Got a lot of people sick. Got a lot of people dead.

Where do you get zero?

The government does not know what to do with radioactive waste. There's nothing to do with it. It's too heavy to shoot into space. It's too dangerous to leave in the ground. It's this hugely poisonous stuff. In the long term, I think it will cause more problems than it will solve.
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Yeah....Chicken Little is hard at work.

There's NO PROOF that man is doing it.....or much of it anyway. So, EVEN IF it's happening, it's rather egotistical of humans to think they can do much...IF ANYTHING....about it.
You are correct. There is "NO PROOF (capital letters always convince me) that man (and woman too) is doing it" However there is a large amount of EVIDENCE that we are!
IPCC makes suggestions on how to mitigate AGW Perhaps you should enlighten yourself.
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And if we are really SCARED and SERIOUS here's the answer for now: NUCLEAR ENERGY. It's what they've got in countries like France. And it's clean and affordable.

So....question for the libs on here: WHY AREN'T WE DOING NUCLEAR ENERGY?? Why isn't Gore---the know-it-all ---pushing this option?
OK. One of the things I've learned on PF. No matter how much I disagree with anyone here; no matter how different our ideologies, there's always seems to be at least one thing I can agree on. Yes, JP, this is the only thing you and I agree on.
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Global warming IS happening, JP5! If you don't believe that, then you probably don't believe in Evolution.
Well, then if you believe in Evolution, Global Warming should simply be the catalyst to the next adaptation man makes. If evolution is a viable theory, and if global warming is inevitable, then man will either adapt... or die.

True believers in Evolution shouldn't be so bothered by silly alarmist movements such as global warming.
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This is for all you "man-made climate change aint happening" brigade.

As somebody previously commented - 95 percent of climate change scientists insist that we are closely at the tipping point of an irreversible change to the planets climate.

In Britain the government's scientific adviser Sir David King, hardly your typical left-winger, agrees that we are at the point of irreversible catastrophe unless we reduce global carbon emissions by 90 percent by 2020.

The UN's recent report confirms that climate change is a reality. The IPCC report by the world's leading climate change scientists also say it is happening, as did the Stern report here in the UK.

Yet we have ill-informed people, who have never had a peer-reviewed scientific paper published on the subject, claiming the contrary. I refer to this as "the Gallileo syndrome."
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Global warming IS happening, JP5! If you don't believe that, then you probably don't believe in Evolution.
Well, then if you believe in Evolution, Global Warming should simply be the catalyst to the next adaptation man makes. If evolution is a viable theory, and if global warming is inevitable, then man will either adapt... or die.

True believers in Evolution shouldn't be so bothered by silly alarmist movements such as global warming.
Good point, Senax!
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Global warming IS happening, JP5! If you don't believe that, then you probably don't believe in Evolution. And if you don't believe in Evolution, you probably don't believe the planet Earth is round. If 995 out of a 1,000 scientists say global warming is occurring (which is the ratio of believers to sceptics in the relevant scientific communities now), then I am inclined to believe them over the 5 out of a 1,000 who are being slipped oil company money to go around 'debunking' global warming.
I'm not claiming global warming doesn't exist. I'm saying there's no proof that man is the cause of it. True---we could be contributing to some of it, but not hardly all of it. In the 70's the scientists were claiming there was an ice age coming...and get this: supposedly being caused by fossil fuels. In fact, the proponent of that theory in the 70's is the same scientist who now claims that we're in a global warming crisis and that's it's caused by fossil fuels. The same guy is funded today by George Soros.

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If you don't believe man can have that great an impact on the planet, how do you explain northern Africa? Historically the Sahara was much smaller and the coastal areas of north Africa were much more productive and species diverse than they are now. If the activities of pre-industrial humans was sufficient to make that great a change in that area, why is it so hard for you to understand that industrial-age humans can have a much greater impact?
So, what do you blame the earlier changes on? Before the industrial age? In Greenland, for instance, past climates have been both warmer and colder than the present. ALL these changes took place long before any industrial age....leading an objective person to believe that much, if not all, of the climate changes are natural.


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Lastly, Dubya still believes in his heart that global warming is so much bunk. That's enough evidence for me right there that global warming is occurring.
Oh, I see. So your belief is really about your hate for George W. Bush. Surprise, surprise. It's how most libbies come to their wild-arsed conclusions. So, I guess that means that if a Democrat gets the presidency next time, you'll all shut up about global warming, eh?
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This is for all you "man-made climate change aint happening" brigade.

As somebody previously commented - 95 percent of climate change scientists insist that we are closely at the tipping point of an irreversible change to the planets climate.

In Britain the government's scientific adviser Sir David King, hardly your typical left-winger, agrees that we are at the point of irreversible catastrophe unless we reduce global carbon emissions by 90 percent by 2020.

The UN's recent report confirms that climate change is a reality. The IPCC report by the world's leading climate change scientists also say it is happening, as did the Stern report here in the UK.

Yet we have ill-informed people, who have never had a peer-reviewed scientific paper published on the subject, claiming the contrary. I refer to this as "the Gallileo syndrome."
Can someone explain something that has bothered me. Algore writes a book with a claim, and then thousands of scientists crawl out of the woodwork saying "Duh, yeah, he's like right!". Where were all these guys before algore came along? Sleeping on the job??
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Global warming IS happening, JP5! If you don't believe that, then you probably don't believe in Evolution.
Well, then if you believe in Evolution, Global Warming should simply be the catalyst to the next adaptation man makes. If evolution is a viable theory, and if global warming is inevitable, then man will either adapt... or die.
Whichever the case, Planet Earth will do just fine, with or without us.
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This is for all you "man-made climate change aint happening" brigade.

As somebody previously commented - 95 percent of climate change scientists insist that we are closely at the tipping point of an irreversible change to the planets climate.

In Britain the government's scientific adviser Sir David King, hardly your typical left-winger, agrees that we are at the point of irreversible catastrophe unless we reduce global carbon emissions by 90 percent by 2020.

The UN's recent report confirms that climate change is a reality. The IPCC report by the world's leading climate change scientists also say it is happening, as did the Stern report here in the UK.

Yet we have ill-informed people, who have never had a peer-reviewed scientific paper published on the subject, claiming the contrary. I refer to this as "the Gallileo syndrome."
Can someone explain something that has bothered me. Algore writes a book with a claim, and then thousands of scientists crawl out of the woodwork saying "Duh, yeah, he's like right!". Where were all these guys before algore came along? Sleeping on the job??
They were saying that before, actually.

You just hadn't heard, I guess?
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This is for all you "man-made climate change aint happening" brigade.

As somebody previously commented - 95 percent of climate change scientists insist that we are closely at the tipping point of an irreversible change to the planets climate.

In Britain the government's scientific adviser Sir David King, hardly your typical left-winger, agrees that we are at the point of irreversible catastrophe unless we reduce global carbon emissions by 90 percent by 2020.

The UN's recent report confirms that climate change is a reality. The IPCC report by the world's leading climate change scientists also say it is happening, as did the Stern report here in the UK.

Yet we have ill-informed people, who have never had a peer-reviewed scientific paper published on the subject, claiming the contrary. I refer to this as "the Gallileo syndrome."
Can someone explain something that has bothered me. Algore writes a book with a claim, and then thousands of scientists crawl out of the woodwork saying "Duh, yeah, he's like right!". Where were all these guys before algore came along? Sleeping on the job??
it's going to be hard for you to hear what the scientists are saying when you have your head in the sand ... at least it appears your head is somewhere light doesn't shine
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