Originally Posted by JP5

Then there is this noted scientist and expert on weather and climate:

"I am of the opinion that this is one of the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the American people, " says Bill Gray.

"BILL GRAY, professor emeritus. He is often called the World's Most Famous Hurricane Expert. He's the guy who, every year, predicts the number of hurricanes that will form during the coming tropical storm season. He works on a country road leading into the Front Range of the Rocky Mountains, in the atmospheric science department of Colorado State University. He's mentored dozens of scientists"

"Gray believes in the obs. The observations. Direct measurements. Numerical models can't be trusted. Equation pushers with fancy computers aren't the equals of scientists who fly into hurricanes.

"Few people know what I know. I've been in the tropics, I've flown in airplanes into storms. I've done studies of convection, cloud clusters and how the moist process works. I don't think anybody in the world understands how the atmosphere functions better than me."

In just three, five, maybe eight years, he says, the world will begin to cool again."


"Bill Gray has a favorite diagram, taken from a 1985 climate model, showing little nodules in the center with such labels as "thermal inertia" and "net energy balance" and "latent heat flux" and "subsurface heat storage" and "absorbed heat radiation" and so on, and they are emitting arrows that curve and loop in all directions, bumping into yet more jargon, like "soil moisture" and "surface roughness" and "vertical wind" and "mel(*)(*)(*)(*)er" and "volcanoes."

"It's a big can of worms!" Gray says. It's his favorite line.

The models can't even predict the weather in two weeks, much less 100 years, he says.

"They sit in this ivory tower, playing around, and they don't tell us if this is going to be a hot summer coming up. Why not? Because the models are no (*)(*)(*)(*) good!"

Gray says the recent rash of strong hurricanes is just part of a cycle. This is part of the broader skeptical message: Climate change is normal and natural. There was a Medieval Warm Period, for example, long before Exxon Mobil existed."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...301305_pf.html

Still lots of controvery and conflict among scientists. So, yes Raytri. I read all the pros and cons opinions on global warming. I've yet to see any hard and fast proven conclusions that what we're seeing now is NOT more a part of the natural phenomonon of climate.

And as far as consensus of scientists....look at where the funding is going for your answer. The funding is going to those who are trying hard to prove that global warming IS caused by man.

Originally Posted by BillyBob

This thread is not categorized properly. The Global Warming Myth is not an environmental issue, it is a political issue.

Originally Posted by JP5

Yeah....Chicken Little is hard at work.

There's NO PROOF that man is doing it.....or much of it anyway. So, EVEN IF it's happening, it's rather egotistical of humans to think they can do much...IF ANYTHING....about it.

And if we are really SCARED and SERIOUS here's the answer for now: NUCLEAR ENERGY. It's what they've got in countries like France. And it's clean and affordable.

So....question for the libs on here: WHY AREN'T WE DOING NUCLEAR ENERGY?? Why isn't Gore---the know-it-all ---pushing this option?

Originally Posted by JP5

Here's my best prediction of things to come: IF the Dems are lucky enough to get the presidency next time---(and they'll need to be very lucky)....I predict during his or her term as president we will hear NO MORE from the global warming alarmists about global warming. Just as the "homeless" suddenly disappear during a Democrat's presidency, so will the dire warnings of global warming.