Thread: World Without Oil

Originally Posted by sweetdaddy620

Then what ......and also the other techs like hybrids/volts

Wont become market friendly until they reach a market friendly price

Which is well below $20,000 so when it finally can cross that mark

The median car price in America is about $30G's. A Volt with subsidy can be purchased for around that amount. $20G is far below the median car price in America, so it is more of a central tendency price for what is "market friendly" than an arbitrary cheaper number like $20G's.

Originally Posted by sweetdaddy620

Without obscene govt subsidization it mite bee viable

Until then it will be a small targeted markt share unreachable too the masses

The masses, such as myself, can go buy one tomorrow, and do it without paying any more than the median price of regular ICE powered cars.

Originally Posted by PeakProphet

based on the definitions of such things, there HAS to be a peak oil. People have been proclaiming it as often as they have its close cousin (running out) for better than a century now. As industry delves deeper into the resource pyramid, they keep putting off either, but sooner or later, there will come a day when production will decrease, and won't ever make it back to that peak point in time.

What causes it may have no more to do with geologic constraints than the global peak oil of 1979 did though. The strengthening of the environmental lobby and any real(or imagined) links to climate change, the types and speed of replacement technologies, even just another run of the mill geopolitical mess could all cause it as well. Could cause several, as a matter of fact.

Me, I figure it is best to get out early, and use a much more efficient means of powering my cage. Plus it is cheaper like nobodies business, it is nice not to notice filling up your car for a day of commuting, soccer practice, Little League, etc etc.

OK let's assume there is a peak. What about 400 billion years from now? Then there is this..

Thomas Gold, a respected astronomer and professor emeritus at Cornell University in Ithaca, NY, has held for years that oil is actually a renewable, primordial syrup continually manufactured by the Earth under ultrahot conditions and tremendous pressures. As this substance migrates toward the surface, it is attacked by bacteria, making it appear to have an organic origin dating back to the dinosaurs, he says.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...orth-exploring

Admittedly that theory is not well accepted nor well known however, there is just as much, if not more, proof of abiotic oil as there is for peak oil.

Originally Posted by PeakProphet

The median car price in America is about $30G's. A Volt with subsidy can be purchased for around that amount. $20G is far below the median car price in America, so it is more of a central tendency price for what is "market friendly" than an arbitrary cheaper number like $20G's.



The masses, such as myself, can go buy one tomorrow, and do it without paying any more than the median price of regular ICE powered cars.

Oh last time I checked a volt was 40 geez

An keep up the special interest politics of protectionism
and the blessed hand heavy central planning

And subsidies the (*)(*)(*)(*) car cost way more than 20 an you know it

How many volts did gubb mint motors sell last month too non government buyer
or other car dealerships

Originally Posted by sweetdaddy620

Oh last time I checked a volt was 40 geez

An keep up the special interest politics of protectionism
and the blessed hand heavy central planning

And subsidies the (*)(*)(*)(*) car cost way more than 20 an you know it

How many volts did gubb mint motors sell last month too non government buyer
or other car dealerships

Hell for all that goes GM IS GUBBMINT MOTORS

They ain't any different than any other big business
it is about making law an scheming the system too

Protect themselves from the real competition

Bunch of losers ....if a product is worthy of buying

It don't need one single penny of force wealth transfer

For individuals too buy it....Henry Ford anybody

This is right out of the ol corporatist manifesto

I can't exist without subsidies,tariffs,and protectionist government
Centrally planned policies

Bunch of flippin losers

Originally Posted by RPA1

OK let's assume there is a peak. What about 400 billion years from now? Then there is this..

Thomas Gold, a respected astronomer and professor emeritus at Cornell University in Ithaca, NY, has held for years that oil is actually a renewable, primordial syrup continually manufactured by the Earth under ultrahot conditions and tremendous pressures. As this substance migrates toward the surface, it is attacked by bacteria, making it appear to have an organic origin dating back to the dinosaurs, he says.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...orth-exploring

Admittedly that theory is not well accepted nor well known however, there is just as much, if not more, proof of abiotic oil as there is for peak oil.

of course not an persons that said the earth wasn't the center
of the universe were put on house arrest too

Being right isn't always popular an sometimes it lethal for one own being

Originally Posted by sweetdaddy620

of course not an persons that said the earth wasn't the center
of the universe were put on house arrest too

Being right isn't always popular an sometimes it lethal for one own being

You are an astute observer. Oil, of course, has a good trading value as it is a 'finite' source and there is a thriving Trillion-dollar speculative market involved with some of the President's best buddies as benefactors...golly geee....Who knew? That big 'O' in Washington these days stands for 'OIL!'

But...no, no, no, oil is baaaaaad....we can't go get any more...no no....That would ruin everything!!!....UH....I mean that would ruin Mother Earth....HEH

http://www.econmatters.com/2011/06/c...lion-year.html

Assuming the government ceases doing a auto-lower GI, and loosens up permitting on nukes and chemical plants, the future won't be entirely Amish, but there will be a lot of similarity, particularly in agriculture.

I think methane (from natural gas) can be used as feedstock for Fischer-Tropsch but I don't know how efficient it would be.

Originally Posted by RPA1

You are an astute observer. Oil, of course, has a good trading value as it is a 'finite' source and there is a thriving Trillion-dollar speculative market involved with some of the President's best buddies as benefactors...golly geee....Who knew? That big 'O' in Washington these days stands for 'OIL!'

But...no, no, no, oil is baaaaaad....we can't go get any more...no no....That would ruin everything!!!....UH....I mean that would ruin Mother Earth....HEH

http://www.econmatters.com/2011/06/c...lion-year.html

Remember how the fuel pump price in 2008 was criminal and then it Plummeted

Its these derivatives futures speculative markets

Which is what happened with the great depression tho they were taking out loans
too make bets. Its still the same game just new players

These markets are insanely complexed tho

Thx 4 the compliment

Originally Posted by RPA1

Admittedly that theory is not well accepted nor well known however, there is just as much, if not more, proof of abiotic oil as there is for peak oil.

Nah. Peak oil is just the logical result of how fast we use a commodity versus how much of it there is. Doesn't require any of the nonsense the peakers read into it or require of it afterwards. The problem with abiotic oil is that the geochemistry of nearly all the oil we use can be traced back to specific types of plant and animal life, and not the type of bacteria which create biogenic methane at shallow depths, such as some large accumulations in Canada, or the Antrim shale gas in Michigan. The geochemist's isotope work has the abiotic gang boxed in pretty hard.

Originally Posted by sweetdaddy620

Oh last time I checked a volt was 40 geez

Subsidies make up the difference. $13.5G's on mine. It is nice to have government help in buying something as mundane as a car, but what the hell, every legal tax break I can find, I'll take'im.

Originally Posted by sweetdaddy

How many volts did gubb mint motors sell last month too non government buyer
or other car dealerships

Darned if I know. I got mine awhile back. I recommend them to everyone, the thing is wonderful. There is a Tesla parked in the same parking lot I use, much sexier than mine, but he paid alot more for his. Plus it is much faster.