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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Debater View Post
    This sounds like you accept the fact that the Daily Mail has been deceptive. I'll take that as a half-bunned admission of guilt.

    Now please point out where Sinclair has been deceptive about anything.
    He is full of deception. Look at his videos. He is a GW propagandist. He gave no specifics as to how the daily mail was wrong just general denial and saying it would be addressed later.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    He is full of deception. Look at his videos. He is a GW propagandist. He gave no specifics as to how the daily mail was wrong just general denial and saying it would be addressed later.
    You're wrong: clearly you didn't read his latest, which I have already linked to. He gave a full quote from Dr. Lu:

    It is unfortunate that my research, “An ikaite record of late Holocene climate at the Antarctic Peninsula,” recently published in Earth and Planetary Science Letters, has been misrepresented by a number of media outlets.

    Several of these media articles assert that our study claims the entire Earth heated up during medieval times without human CO2 emissions. We clearly state in our paper that we studied one site at the Antarctic Peninsula. The results should not be extrapolated to make assumptions about climate conditions across the entire globe. Other statements, such as the study “throws doubt on orthodoxies around global warming,” completely misrepresent our conclusions. Our study does not question the well-established anthropogenic warming trend.
    What about that isn't specific enough for you?
    Last edited by Poor Debater; Mar 30 2012 at 09:52 PM.

    The Top 5 Tactics of climate denial:
    1. Cherry Picking 2. Fake Experts 3. Impossible Expectations 4. Misrepresenting the Science & Logical Fallacies 5. Conspiracy Theories

    Diethelm & Mckee 2009

    Honesty is not on the list.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Debater View Post
    You're wrong: clearly you didn't read his latest, which I have already linked to. He gave a full quote from Dr. Lu:



    What about that isn't specific enough for you?
    What is misrepresented? This is more generalization to avoid admitting the reporters are right

    So you show more propaganda from Sinclair who is not credible.
    Last edited by ptif219; Mar 30 2012 at 10:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    What is misrepresented? This is more generalization to avoid admitting the reporters are right

    So you show more propaganda from Sinclair who is not credible.
    Are you taking the (*)(*)(*)(*)?

    How many times have to been shown the scientists exact words?

    His report was misrepresented.

    His report showed warming at one site on the Antarctic Peninsula
    We clearly state in our paper that we studied one site at the Antarctic Peninsula.

    The Daily Mail claimed this applied to the whole planet:
    The results should not be extrapolated to make assumptions about climate conditions across the entire globe

    the Daily Mail said his conclusions "throw doubt on orthodoxies around global warming"
    Other statements, such as the study “throws doubt on orthodoxies around global warming,” completely misrepresent our conclusions. Our study does not question the well-established anthropogenic warming trend.

    How long do you intend to keep this nonsense up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bugalugs View Post
    Are you taking the (*)(*)(*)(*)?

    How many times have to been shown the scientists exact words?

    His report was misrepresented.

    His report showed warming at one site on the Antarctic Peninsula
    We clearly state in our paper that we studied one site at the Antarctic Peninsula.

    The Daily Mail claimed this applied to the whole planet:
    The results should not be extrapolated to make assumptions about climate conditions across the entire globe

    the Daily Mail said his conclusions "throw doubt on orthodoxies around global warming"
    Other statements, such as the study “throws doubt on orthodoxies around global warming,” completely misrepresent our conclusions. Our study does not question the well-established anthropogenic warming trend.

    How long do you intend to keep this nonsense up?
    His report shows AGW has been wrong and now the GW community want to spin it to say it should be not seen for what it is.

    Truth is warming occurred then as it is now. warming is natural.

    GW propagandists are being seen for the eliteists arrogant hacks they are.

    now anyone that denies AGW is a mental case. More proof GW is a scam

    http://www.infowars.com/climate-chan...ays-professor/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    What is misrepresented?
    Since you apparently can't read, I'll spell it out for you. Sound out the letters one at a time:

    1. The Daily Mail said, "The whole of the Earth heated up in medieval times". Dr. Lu's paper only looked at a single site in Antarctica, not the whole Earth. MISREPRESENTATION!

    2. The Daily Mail said, "Current theories of the causes and impact of global warming have been thrown into question" by Lu's research. Dr. Lu says such statements "completely misrepresent our conclusions". GROSS MISREPRESENTATION!

    3. The Daily Mail said, "At present the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) argues that the Medieval Warm Period was confined to Europe." The IPCC says nothing of the sort. In fact, IPCC AR4 says the MWP covers at least the entire northern hemisphere: "The evidence currently available indicates that NH mean temperatures during medieval times (950–1100) were indeed warm in a 2-kyr context". GROSS MISREPRESENTATION!

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So you show more propaganda from Sinclair who is not credible.
    And you still have not shown a single instance of Sinclair misrepresenting anything.

    As usual, deniers have ZERO evidence for ANYTHING they say. No wonder nobody believes you.

    The Top 5 Tactics of climate denial:
    1. Cherry Picking 2. Fake Experts 3. Impossible Expectations 4. Misrepresenting the Science & Logical Fallacies 5. Conspiracy Theories

    Diethelm & Mckee 2009

    Honesty is not on the list.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Debater View Post
    Since you apparently can't read, I'll spell it out for you. Sound out the letters one at a time:

    1. The Daily Mail said, "The whole of the Earth heated up in medieval times". Dr. Lu's paper only looked at a single site in Antarctica, not the whole Earth. MISREPRESENTATION!

    2. The Daily Mail said, "Current theories of the causes and impact of global warming have been thrown into question" by Lu's research. Dr. Lu says such statements "completely misrepresent our conclusions". GROSS MISREPRESENTATION!

    3. The Daily Mail said, "At present the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) argues that the Medieval Warm Period was confined to Europe." The IPCC says nothing of the sort. In fact, IPCC AR4 says the MWP covers at least the entire northern hemisphere: "The evidence currently available indicates that NH mean temperatures during medieval times (950–1100) were indeed warm in a 2-kyr context". GROSS MISREPRESENTATION!



    And you still have not shown a single instance of Sinclair misrepresenting anything.

    As usual, deniers have ZERO evidence for ANYTHING they say. No wonder nobody believes you.
    Yet Lu does not specify what is misrepresented. As always accusations but no specifics or corrections.

    The report shows past data was wrong and warming was more wide spread. This is what the daily mail says so how is that a misrepresentation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Yet Lu does not specify what is misrepresented. As always accusations but no specifics or corrections.
    YES HE DOES. Lu's research was confined to one specific site in Antarctica. The Daily Mail falsely said it covered the entire globe. How much more specific can you get?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The report shows past data was wrong
    Liar. It certainly does not. What past data was wrong? Citation, please, author, journal, article, for data shown to be wrong by Lu's research.

    One of these days, I have hopes for simple honesty from the denier brigade. Not only do you guys lie through your teeth on a daily basis, you don't even care that you do. You have no regard for the truth whatsoever.

    The Top 5 Tactics of climate denial:
    1. Cherry Picking 2. Fake Experts 3. Impossible Expectations 4. Misrepresenting the Science & Logical Fallacies 5. Conspiracy Theories

    Diethelm & Mckee 2009

    Honesty is not on the list.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Debater View Post
    YES HE DOES. Lu's research was confined to one specific site in Antarctica. The Daily Mail falsely said it covered the entire globe. How much more specific can you get?



    Liar. It certainly does not. What past data was wrong? Citation, please, author, journal, article, for data shown to be wrong by Lu's research.

    One of these days, I have hopes for simple honesty from the denier brigade. Not only do you guys lie through your teeth on a daily basis, you don't even care that you do. You have no regard for the truth whatsoever.
    It clearly show wide spread if it happened in Antarctica. That is far from the GW community saying it was only Europe.

    The GW community is once again caught in lies and trying to justify it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It clearly show wide spread if it happened in Antarctica. That is far from the GW community saying it was only Europe.
    Liar. Who in the GW community says it was only Europe? Citation: journal, author, date.

    Oh wait ... you didn't think the Daily Mail reported that accurately, did you?
    Last edited by Poor Debater; Apr 01 2012 at 08:40 AM.

    The Top 5 Tactics of climate denial:
    1. Cherry Picking 2. Fake Experts 3. Impossible Expectations 4. Misrepresenting the Science & Logical Fallacies 5. Conspiracy Theories

    Diethelm & Mckee 2009

    Honesty is not on the list.


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