Thread: Australia Strangles Free Speech to Protect Carbon Tax

Originally Posted by Diuretic

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You know I have a real problem with the sexualisation of nurses as it is shown here - it engenders a cognitive association between my profession and the "oldest profession". I had enough comments in my life about "Nurse eh? Bet you have seen it all!"

Originally Posted by Bowerbird

Nope - you see this is not the political arm of "the government" but the bureaucratic arm of "the government". The ACCC already has this function of overseeing truth in advertising - they are just letting people know ahead of time that they will not tolerate lies


Yeah but all pollies lie - it is what they are actually selling, lies - that is why the ACCC can't fine THEM

Only pollies are allowed to lie and then make everyone else pay millions of dollars for lying through their tool the ACCC? Sounds fair to me.

Now where did I put that pitch fork?

Originally Posted by Bowerbird

You know I have a real problem with the sexualisation of nurses as it is shown here - it engenders a cognitive association between my profession and the "oldest profession". I had enough comments in my life about "Nurse eh? Bet you have seen it all!"

I'm going to watch my step here. Firstly, point taken. Secondly, it didn't occur to me to make that association, but the point, I have to stress, is taken. Thirdly I'm....best if I shut up now

Right then, to reiterate - it is an issue regarding misrepresentation of pricing, not a restriction on free speech. We know there is no absolute freedom of speech, to paraphrase J.S. Mill, that would be licence, not freedom. It is not onerous to demand truth and responsibility.

Originally Posted by Diuretic

Right then, to reiterate - it is an issue regarding misrepresentation of pricing, not a restriction on free speech. We know there is no absolute freedom of speech, to paraphrase J.S. Mill, that would be licence, not freedom. It is not onerous to demand truth and responsibility.

In a free market you cannot require a supplier (the restaurant) to divulge its cost structure to its customer.

What will be next ?, the car dealer is required to truthfully answer if you ask for his invoice, overhead, labor and mark-up??

Originally Posted by Diuretic

Right then, to reiterate - it is an issue regarding misrepresentation of pricing, not a restriction on free speech. We know there is no absolute freedom of speech, to paraphrase J.S. Mill, that would be licence, not freedom. It is not onerous to demand truth and responsibility.

Then you would support million dollar fines for politicians lying? Let me guess, they are suppose to lie. I guess when those on the left accuse "W" of lying when he went to war with Iraq are OK with the status quo. Excellent!! Just don't complain to me next time nor for the past.

So what is worse? Is it worse to lie about cap and trade, assuming they are lies, and giving it bad press or is it worse lying about a war and having hundreds of thousands dead and trillions of dollars more in debt?

All I can say is, get a clue. The worse abuses come from those who dictate to everyone else, and that means Big Brother.

Originally Posted by Elmer Fudd

In a free market you cannot require a supplier (the restaurant) to divulge its cost structure to its customer.

What will be next ?, the car dealer is required to truthfully answer if you ask for his invoice, overhead, labor and mark-up??

Sure you can. You can make anyone do anything, assuming you have the authority. Maybe they still have those concentration camps FDR set up for those Japenese Americans he imprisoned.

Originally Posted by Elmer Fudd

In a free market you cannot require a supplier (the restaurant) to divulge its cost structure to its customer.

What will be next ?, the car dealer is required to truthfully answer if you ask for his invoice, overhead, labor and mark-up??

No but if the customer thinks they are being ripped off right royally they have the right to go to the ACCC and complain - this is just the ACCC letting us Aussies know that that is an option. Look they are NOT going to be interested in 10 cent surcharge - but they will be interested if prices suddenly double

Originally Posted by montra

Then you would support million dollar fines for politicians lying? Let me guess, they are suppose to lie. I guess when those on the left accuse "W" of lying when he went to war with Iraq are OK with the status quo. Excellent!! Just don't complain to me next time nor for the past.

So what is worse? Is it worse to lie about cap and trade, assuming they are lies, and giving it bad press or is it worse lying about a war and having hundreds of thousands dead and trillions of dollars more in debt?

All I can say is, get a clue. The worse abuses come from those who dictate to everyone else, and that means Big Brother.

Lying about the war cost lives - no contest with that one

You are probably wondering why we are not more upset - we knew this tax was coming - that is why we voted the greens in in so many numbers. We knew that Labor would have to bow to the Greens and get some form of carbon pricing in. At least it is less of an issue than the bloody GST was AND Howard promised he would not bring THAT tax in either

Originally Posted by montra

Sure you can. You can make anyone do anything, assuming you have the authority. Maybe they still have those concentration camps FDR set up for those Japenese Americans he imprisoned.

Why would we Aussies want to use some Yank concentration camp??