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What you fail to realise is that all this regulation will cause resentment from many consumers, and will hurt the environmental movement. People that would otherwise have supported environmental protections (like me) might become fed up with the environmental movement and become polarized in the opposite direction.Originally Posted by Poor Debater
Just consider this: libertarianism was a response to the overregulation coming from progressives. By not being considerate of the opinions of others who do not completely share your same views, you could just be creating more enemies.
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Oh yeah. That gol-danged gubbmint is FORCING me to save money! I so resent it!
The Top 5 Tactics of climate denial:
1. Cherry Picking 2. Fake Experts 3. Impossible Expectations 4. Misrepresenting the Science & Logical Fallacies 5. Conspiracy Theories
Diethelm & Mckee 2009
Honesty is not on the list.
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Five bucks for a three-hour-per-week bulb. It'll take a long time to recoup that - less after Obama's regs quintuple electric rates.
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$5!!! You are quibbling over $5!!!
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Methinks you may have hit the nail on the head here buddy.
Just about everyone wants to live in a clean, if not pristine world. But a lot of environmentalists just freaking go overboard.
A lack of common sense does not help the environment and usually does more harm than good.
Not so much the light bulbs...but other things...like the snail darter.
The problem I have with the light bulbs is the fact that they will all be made in China. GE closes American incandecent light bulb production in the U.S. and puts more people out of work....Does anyone think they did this to protect the environment?
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Are you trying to tell me that offices in the USA have not HAD Fluorescent strip lighting?? Most public buildings and offices here run on conventional "fluoro's" and have done for years.
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Offices putting in fluorescent lights was a voluntary measure - - not something jammed down their throats by government meatheads.
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But it is the SAME coloured light as a CFL
But it does not worry me - with the new LED (25,0000 hours life) the newer Halogen, the very new ESL bulbs the rest of the world is set to leave America ehind as it clings to it's outdated, outmoded and above all expensive to run conventional bulbs
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BTW - looks like the "ban" is a myth
http://www.fastcoexist.com/1678387/k...are-not-bannedThere is a race is on to build better incandescent bulbs that meet the next generation of energy standards. But there's a ban, you say? To listen to Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, you would think that the FBI will soon be breaking down our doors in search of illicit illumination.
Despite what you've heard, Congress' Energy Independence and Security Act (EISA) "doesn't ban any type of lighting," says Laura Moorefield, a senior researcher at Ecos Consulting. "It just raises the efficiency standards a small amount." Understandably, you may have been misled by error-laden columns and news stories about a "ban" in the Wall Street Journal, Fox News, New York Post, Forbes.com, and Washington Times (chronicled by Media Matters). There is also at least one at MSNBC. They all suggest that incandescents have been outlawed by Congress.
They have not. Once the law begins to take effect next year, wattages for 100 watt bulbs are required to drop by about 30%. That means a former 100 watt bulb will use only 72 watts, yet emit a comparable amount of light. The law will be phased in over the next several years affecting 75 watt bulbs in 2013, then 60 watt and 40 watt bulbs in 2014. The new incandescent bulbs employ a small halogen capsule with an incandescent element that looks and operates just like a conventional bulb, while producing the same quality of light and using less energy. These halogen incandescents already meet or exceed the standards set by the EISA. To say it another way, incandescent bulbs are not banned. In fact, you may even have been buying EISA-compliant incandescents since 2009 when they first hit store shelves.
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