Thread: Skeptics are a "tiny right wing fring group"

Originally Posted by MisLed

Majority of Americans say it isn't happening. What are you gonna do. Get Obama to do another one of his famous Executive orders and MAKE the rest of us bow down to this?

Once more it has no bearing on the fact that AGW is happening.

Even though I question a claim that a majority of Americans claim AGW is not happening at one time in history a majority of americans did not believe evolution happens.

And as far as "what am I going to do?"

I am trying to prepare for the changes....because they are coming.

and I do not. And I AM NOT alone. So you go right ahead and do what you deem necessary to prepare yourself. Will you not be content unless you force me to do the same?
why is it that africa and other continents are NOT going thru this hot spell that we are going thru right now. It is NOT worldwide. So, that leads me to believe that this is cyclical...and normal. maybe not pleasant but certainly not permanent.

The Saudis are bracing for near record heat during Ramadan.

AGW is a global average temperature and the Earth has been warming since 1880.
Crop yeild forecast for the Midwest is down. Crop forecast for Russia is down.

And why in the world do you think that reducing carbon emmissions are an attack on your personal freedom?

If you run an air conditioner for longer periods at a higher setting your electricity bills are going to go up regardless... because you will use more electricity.

The price of oil is going to go up simply because the oil companies can charge more for it.
The oil companies know that if gas goes to 10.00 a gallon people will pay...because they have no other choice.

The cost in fires, drought, hurricanes, floods,crop damage, and other things will be much more expensive than reducing carbon emissions.

And even if we stop all carbon emissions today the earth will continue to warm for a while because of the CO2 already in the system.

I even posted a thread called "what can we do?' and all I have gotten so far is nonsense responses.

Even the right-wing is coming to the conclusion that the earth is getting warmer...a step in the right direction.

Originally Posted by politicalcenter

The Saudis are bracing for near record heat during Ramadan.

AGW is a global average temperature and the Earth has been warming since 1880.
Crop yeild forecast for the Midwest is down. Crop forecast for Russia is down.

And why in the world do you think that reducing carbon emmissions are an attack on your personal freedom?

If you run an air conditioner for longer periods at a higher setting your electricity bills are going to go up regardless... because you will use more electricity.

The price of oil is going to go up simply because the oil companies can charge more for it.
The oil companies know that if gas goes to 10.00 a gallon people will pay...because they have no other choice.

The cost in fires, drought, hurricanes, floods,crop damage, and other things will be much more expensive than reducing carbon emissions.

And even if we stop all carbon emissions today the earth will continue to warm for a while because of the CO2 already in the system.

I even posted a thread called "what can we do?' and all I have gotten so far is nonsense responses.

Even the right-wing is coming to the conclusion that the earth is getting warmer...a step in the right direction.

YOU cannot stop these things. And you will not get people to willingly go along with the incomplete science that you present. OF COURSE the earth is warmer...it's summer. IT Is cyclical. It is not permanent. And you are not going to get people to give up their money(freedom) to go along with this idiocy.

Originally Posted by PeakProphet

The belief system runs so deep, and the issue has been so distracted into near religious political dogma routines, I'm not even sure what the fraud is anymore. Obviously, the world has warmed, otherwise Canada wouldn't exist and New York City would still be buried under ice. Those two things not being true, it is obvious that SOMETHING has happened to melt that ice, and raise the sea level hundreds of feet. Then man came along in his modern form, and not near as much has changed since then.

Someone remind me, what is the fuss all about?

money makes the world go round, the world go round, the world go round.

Originally Posted by MisLed

YOU cannot stop these things. And you will not get people to willingly go along with the incomplete science that you present. OF COURSE the earth is warmer...it's summer. IT Is cyclical. It is not permanent. And you are not going to get people to give up their money(freedom) to go along with this idiocy.

People are going to give up their money (freedom)anyway. And yes is is ...(if nothing is done)... permanent.

They will give up their money cooling their homes, higher food cost, heathcare concerns, and higher insurance premiums, to name a few.

And it will cost a lot more by taking no action than it will to reduce carbon in the atmosphere.

Originally Posted by MisLed

Majority of Americans say it isn't happening.

That's one of the mistaken myths of your little deluded anti-science cult of denial and it has no relation to reality, as usual. You denier cultists just reinforce each others delusions with this kind of nonsense but you continue to be clueless dupes of the fossil fuel industry. You are not in the majority, as you so fondly believe. You are a tiny lunatic fringe cult that has been astro-turfed up and sponsored by the vested interests in oil and coal, like Exxon and the Koch brothers.

In Poll, Many Americans Link Weather Extremes to Global Warming/Climate Change
New York Times
April 17, 2012
(excerpts)

A poll due for release on Wednesday shows that a large majority of Americans believe that this year’s unusually warm winter, last year’s blistering summer and some other weather disasters were probably made worse by global warming. And by a 2-to-1 margin, the public says the weather has been getting worse, rather than better, in recent years. The survey, the most detailed to date on the public response to weather extremes, comes atop other polling showing a recent uptick in concern about climate change. Read together, the polls suggest that direct experience of erratic weather may be convincing some people that the problem is no longer just a vague and distant threat. “Most people in the country are looking at everything that’s happened; it just seems to be one disaster after another after another,” said Anthony A. Leiserowitz of Yale University, one of the researchers who commissioned the new poll. “People are starting to connect the dots.”

The poll suggests that a solid majority of the public feels that global warming is real, a result consistent with other polls that have asked the question in various ways. When invited to agree or disagree with the statement, “global warming is affecting the weather in the United States,” 69 percent of respondents in the new poll said they agreed, while 30 percent disagreed. Asked whether they agreed or disagreed that global warming had contributed to the unusually warm winter just past, 25 percent of the respondents said they strongly agreed that it had, and 47 percent said they somewhat agreed. Only 17 percent somewhat disagreed, and 11 percent strongly disagreed. Majorities almost as large cited global warming as a likely factor in last year’s record summer heat wave, as well as the 2011 drought in Texas and Oklahoma. Smaller but still substantial majorities cited it as a factor in the record United States snowfalls of 2010 and 2011 and the Mississippi River floods of 2011. Those views, too, are consistent with scientific evidence, which suggests that global warming is causing heavier precipitation in all seasons.

Originally Posted by MisLed

YOU cannot stop these things. And you will not get people to willingly go along with the incomplete science that you present.

You need to understand that we are not like you. You're part of a political cult out to brainwash people for political reasons, so you assume everyone must think like you do. That's not how it works. We're just looking at the science in a non-partisan fashion.

OF COURSE the earth is warmer...it's summer. IT Is cyclical. It is not permanent.

You seem incapable of comprehending the concept of "average temperature." And you don't seem aware that it's not summer over half the planet.

And you are not going to get people to give up their money(freedom) to go along with this idiocy.

Crank conspiracy theory, thus providing even more evidence that denialism is a right-wing fringe political cult. Does anyone doubt that now, given how hard the denialists here have worked to prove it?

Originally Posted by politicalcenter

People are going to give up their money (freedom)anyway. And yes is is ...(if nothing is done)... permanent.

They will give up their money cooling their homes, higher food cost, heathcare concerns, and higher insurance premiums, to name a few.

And it will cost a lot more by taking no action than it will to reduce carbon in the atmosphere.

well i don't want to play. What are you gonna do about it?

Originally Posted by MisLed

well i don't want to play. What are you gonna do about it?

If you want to live without insurance, electricity, and food, go ahead.

It ain't my problem.