Thread: The Climate has Been Warmer…

Just another made-up excuse to raise taxes, impose even more onerous regulations and funnel money to Maurice Strong.

Look at 'em rave. How can they deny the problem, if we won't let them revise the language to match the official denialist PC lexicon? They seem to think that if they don't call it acidification, the problem magically vanishes.

Originally Posted by wyly

something that is known to every every fish hobbyist and breeder of fish know and you don't, acidic water is any water with a pH of less than 7.0.

Water runs from a pH of about 6.5 to 8.5. Below 7 it is said to be 'acidic' and above 7 it is said to be 'alkaline.' But it's still water, you can still drink it and grow plants in it etc. When water rises above 8.5 or below 6.5 it is no longer what we consider to be water.

For the past 20 years, I've been putting down sulfur to acidify my soil. Even though it's still alkaline soil, the term for adding sulfur is "soil acidification", because you're adding an acid. (Sort of. Sulfur isn't an acid, but bacteria turn it into sulfuric acid.) Nobody has ever called it "soil neutralization." Good of the denialists to inform me that the common term in use for the practice of adding acid has actually been a socialist plot started many decades ago.

Originally Posted by mamooth

No. Adding acid to a solution has always commonly been called acidification, regardless of starting or ending pH. Just as slightly raising the temp of a cold room is called "heating" instead of "decooling" or "neutralizing".

So, which organizations so badly misinformed you denialists with such brazen attempt at PC revisionism of common scientific language? Denialism just can't seem to survive without twisting the language to new unknown extremes.

When you get a chemical burn and you poor vinegar(an acid) on it is it called acidification or neutralization.

Anyways, who to trust on this issue ... all of the world's oceanographers, or a couple denialist political cultists? Dang, that's a tough one.

(*)(*)(*)(*) them they aren't chemists. They have no more credibility applying terms for acid/basic chemistry than anyone else who has had CHEMII.

Originally Posted by politicalcenter

You would have to add an acid to do this.

Thanks for proving you don't know a thing about chemistry. CO2 is not an acid. There is a stage in the reaction where the CO2 and water for carbonic acid. But that is only one stage. Ultimately when ever a solution is neutralized you are left with a salt and water. That is why neutralization, acidification and basification are very specific and different terms because there is a different reaction going on.

They just keep trying. You know, telling us that the common use of the language is wrong, because they so badly want that socialist conspiracy to exist. Apparently, this socialist conspiracy goes back many decades, because that's how long the term "acidification" has been used to describe adding an acid or acid-precursor.

Originally Posted by mamooth

They just keep trying. You know, telling us that the common use of the language is wrong, because they so badly want that socialist conspiracy to exist. Apparently, this socialist conspiracy goes back many decades, because that's how long the term "acidification" has been used to describe adding an acid or acid-precursor.

Common language? The common language has always been neutralizing. When you apply vinegar to a chemical burn you are "neutralizing the burn" not acidifying it. We aren't the ones who have changed the language. You are.

Henry'sLaw indicates that:
1) The water only absorbs CO2 in proportion to partial pressure of CO2 in the air (very low)
2) Carbonic acid breaks down to CO2 and water to bring CO2 concentration into balance.

The tiny concentration of CO2 has little effect. Nitrogen forms nitric acid in water in proportion to its partial pressure (very high). Carbonic is trivial.

Go make up something more plausible.

CO2 +H2O=H2CO3

When you add CO2 to water you get Carbonic acid.

You change the PH of the water.

And if you add the effect of suphur dioxide from burning coal...and acid rain.

Ph is determined by acid/base.

It could be sulfuric, carbonic, nitric, or any other acid.