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    Can anyone please provide an explanation for why this shows a cooling world, even today, and for some reason people don't even want to talk about WHY the planet is showing this cooling trend? I understand why all the current fear mongering is going the opposite way, but if this trend continues, it seems to me we are going to need all the warming help we can get? Has the ice core data been discredited in some way I am not familiar with? Because people, this does not look good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeakProphet View Post
    Can anyone please provide an explanation for why this shows a cooling world, even today, and for some reason people don't even want to talk about WHY the planet is showing this cooling trend? I understand why all the current fear mongering is going the opposite way, but if this trend continues, it seems to me we are going to need all the warming help we can get? Has the ice core data been discredited in some way I am not familiar with? Because people, this does not look good!

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    Interesting topic.

    Providing source links would be appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angedras View Post
    Interesting topic.

    Providing source links would be appreciated.
    Lots of cool stuff to poke around in, in here. Once I realized there was temperature data showing the overall cooling trend, I just started poking around in everything ice core.

    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/iceco...greenland.html

    This is a fantastic video I found demonstrating exactly why you have to watch the current all warming all the time crowd, puts our current worlds temperatures into a completely different perspective.


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    Thank you PeakP, I appreciate the link and video.





    *I'm sure others will, as well*

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeakProphet View Post
    Can anyone please provide an explanation for why this shows a cooling world, even today, and for some reason people don't even want to talk about WHY the planet is showing this cooling trend? I understand why all the current fear mongering is going the opposite way, but if this trend continues, it seems to me we are going to need all the warming help we can get? Has the ice core data been discredited in some way I am not familiar with? Because people, this does not look good!

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    Theres an obvious and very good reason why people dont want to talk about this. It really puts the cat among the pigeons for AGW theory and there are now a whole load of vested interests riding on it. The ice cores from both poles show that there really isnt anything remarkable about todays conditions in either level nor rate of change. I hope you find this ice core data of some interest too as it shows the South pole variations also

    http://mclean.ch/climate/Ice_cores.htm




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    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Theres an obvious and very good reason why people dont want to talk about this. It really puts the cat among the pigeons for AGW theory and there are now a whole load of vested interests riding on it. The ice cores from both poles show that there really isnt anything remarkable about todays conditions in either level nor rate of change. I hope you find this ice core data of some interest too as it shows the South pole variations also

    http://mclean.ch/climate/Ice_cores.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Theres an obvious and very good reason why people dont want to talk about this. It really puts the cat among the pigeons for AGW theory and there are now a whole load of vested interests riding on it. The ice cores from both poles show that there really isnt anything remarkable about todays conditions in either level nor rate of change. I hope you find this ice core data of some interest too as it shows the South pole variations also

    http://mclean.ch/climate/Ice_cores.htm




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    Holy crap, did you see the difference in temperature swings in that data? It absolutely dwarfs some of what is being claimed for even like worst case IPCC stuff?! Everyone wants to do this little local comparisons but as soon as you see the REAL changes in temperature, no darn wonder people can't get temperature models dependent heavily on tiny changes in CO2 to work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeakProphet View Post
    Holy crap, did you see the difference in temperature swings in that data? It absolutely dwarfs some of what is being claimed for even like worst case IPCC stuff?! Everyone wants to do this little local comparisons but as soon as you see the REAL changes in temperature, no darn wonder people can't get temperature models dependent heavily on tiny changes in CO2 to work!
    This agenda is an entirely political one. I became a skeptic about this some years ago when I started to check the claims being made for AGW and the alleged 'science' that supported it. It really doesnt matter what claim you look at there isnt a single one stands any sort of critical analysis. The only thing we do know is we have warmed over the last two centuries but there is nothing whatsoever unusual about that warming as its well within natural variation in both its level and rate of change. You might find this interactive map of Peer reviewed study graphs interesting too as it shows what a worldwide phenomenon the Medieval Warming Period was 800 - 1000 years ago really was and how much warmer than today many places were

    http://pages.science-skeptical.de/MW...armPeriod.html

    They try hard to make todays conditions look unprecedented by the simple expedient of ignoring the precents it seems, as these graphs show
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    I remember when the Al Gores's movie came out, that would have been my first intro to the wonderful world of warming. I poked around just enough to find out that the Mann graph was contradicted by all sorts of evidence related to MWP, that the MWP had been dropped by the IPCC not because it didn't exist but because they went all in on the hockey stick graph (it making a better point for their cause than the real explanation of temperature) and then I just walked away with that "science is settled' nonsense. Anyone who says that obviously doesn't know dick about how science works.

    But recently I started poking around again out of a case of mild curiosity, and the ice core stuff contradicting all the tree ring fanatics is just amazing. Never thought I would see scientists cherry picking their datasets, acting as advocates for a position rather than actually doing SCIENCE, I would have been fired for doing that back in my scientist days. Completely unacceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeakProphet View Post
    I remember when the Al Gores's movie came out, that would have been my first intro to the wonderful world of warming. I poked around just enough to find out that the Mann graph was contradicted by all sorts of evidence related to MWP, that the MWP had been dropped by the IPCC not because it didn't exist but because they went all in on the hockey stick graph (it making a better point for their cause than the real explanation of temperature) and then I just walked away with that "science is settled' nonsense. Anyone who says that obviously doesn't know dick about how science works.
    It is ironic that one flawed study (the hockey stick) from one young climatologists was seized upon so fervently by the IPCC as gospel and every other paleoclimatic study from a very large body of work was dismissed out of hand. I think as far as the IPCC were concerned there may have been alterior motivavions at work here. You might find this report rather illustrative of what those motivations might have been.

    http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/mas...nding-exposed/

    Always follow the money with this issue

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    But recently I started poking around again out of a case of mild curiosity, and the ice core stuff contradicting all the tree ring fanatics is just amazing. Never thought I would see scientists cherry picking their datasets, acting as advocates for a position rather than actually doing SCIENCE, I would have been fired for doing that back in my scientist days. Completely unacceptable
    I actually think its gone well beyond just mere cherry picking. I believe outright fraud is at work here because of the multibillions there are riding on this issue . I dont believe that AGW evangelists like Michael Mann, James Hansen or Phil Jones were unaware that the vast bulk of paleoclimatic research done to date contradicted thier beloved hypothesis yet they continued to push it nonetheless. As the climategate emails dramatically illustrated there is deception at work here and the whitewash investigations afterwards as the vested interests closed ranks to protect themselves is hardly encouraging. I believe there are grounds for criminal proceedings such is the sheer scale of this but its now gotten too big and too lucrative to ever be allowed to fail sadly
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