Why did you choose 1998? Why not the previous year OR the next year to base your reference temperature on.

WE ALL KNOW DONT WE FOLKS - MORE LIES AND SPIN FROM THE FOSSIL FUEL LOBBY GROUPS.

What is the red trend line temperature doing in the graph below - going down is it? NO!

Notice the fluctutations in temperature for each year? 1998 was a spike year - AND that why the propagandists use that year as a SOLE temperature reference point and compare it with subsequent years and CLAIM a cooling period WHEN IN FACT the general trend has been GLOBAL WARMING for many decades now.

They dont try the same analysis with say 1997 or 1999 - WE NOW KNOW WHY HEY!

I believe its called PSUEDO-SCIENCE - you know, fudge or slant the statistical data in such a way as to give the conclusions that you want to give.

And the purpose is to delude and confuse the general public.

Notice how scientists or mathematicians or even anyone with an ounce of sense that is prepared to carefully examine these fraudualnt claims of global cooling ARE NOT SUCKERED IN BY THEM.?

YOU CANT JUST PICK AND CHOOSE THE INDIVIDUAL TEMPERATURE VALUES YOU WANT IN A DATA SPREAD AND MAKE GENERAL CONCLUSIONS OF WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE TREND IN GLOBAL SURFACE TEMPERATURE. MATHEMATICIANS HAVE A TECHINCAL WORD FOR THIS TECHNIQUE - ITS CALLED BULLDUST

What kind of measuring device for temperature did they use 120 years ago and is it the same and as accurate as what we use today?

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I am not telling - you will have to research this specific aspect of your personal GLOBAL WARMING concerns for yourself.

I have a golf day today to enjoy

you can also forward your particular question to Prefessor Peabody - THE WORlDS NUMBER ONE EXPERT ON AGW SPIN.

Ask him what the temperature measuring device was for his Global Cooling claims during the medieval period 800 years ago. (there are many direct and indirect ways to determine surface temperaure, ocean conditions, atmospheric chemistry etc way into the distant past inclusing analysing ancient ice cores)

Wow,
Such Vitriol and hatred from the Compassionate folks.
There's a very specific reason why I used 1998, first of all, 1998 was a spike year, so it supported my argument better. Second, it's been exactly 10 years since China started their massive Electric Generator building program, they've built over 1000 Coal Fired plants plus about 500 or so Gas and Oil powered plants. Spewing tens of millions of tons of carbon into the Atmosphere.
What's funny is that in 1998, you guys were falling all over yourselves to point out 1998 as PROOF, that Warming was happening, yet now it's "THAT WAS A SPIKE YEAR, WHY ARE YOU USING 1998!!!!"
So when there's a natural variation that proves your point, it's all fine and dandy to use it, but when it goes the other way, "Oh that's just a Natural Variation, a Spike year, it means nothing" ... I suppose that's how you'll explain away 2007 and 2008 right? Just a natural variation, another spike year anomaly that means nothing.

You guys say that Carbon=higher temperatures, right?
So WHY, even if 1998 WAS a spike year, did we not see an increase since then in temperature, when there's so much more Carbon in the atmosphere?

A Few observations, from a man who thinks and doesn't let others think FOR ME.

• The fact that it snowed in Baghdad for the first time in 100 years means nothing to you?
• The fact that is South America has had it's worst and longest winter in 90 years means nothing to you.
• The fact that India has had Record Snowfall means nothing to you?
• The Fact that South Africa has had it's first snow in 26 years means nothing
• The fact that last year we had the coldest April in all of our record keeping here in the States
• The fact that this May had record snowfall, since records have been kept in Michigan (1880) means nothing to you.
• Same for Juneau
• Same for Grand Forks, Fargo
• Same for New England
• Same for Alaska (those poor Polar Bears, back to icy conditions)
• And of course, the fact that the ENTIRE, Northern Hemisphere has had the most snowfall since 1966, that means nothing

So what you're saying, is I'm just supposed to ignore all this because you guys are smarter than me, and your computer models are like God, they're infallible and can't be mistaken, so I should just STFU and go home. I need to stop reading, and stop using my brain to figure out that something doesn't smell right and just let congress pass the biggest tax increase in history in the form of a Carbon Cap and Trade system, because it's all for my benefit, it's not about money it's about saving the world right.

Another interesting little tidbit, I went to NOAA's site and plugged in the earliest date that I could up until today. I don't know where you got YOUR chart from, but this is from the governments Record Keeping Database.



I've posted here before MANY pictures of instances where temperature monitoring stations were being placed on top of commercial Air Conditioning units and other heat Islands that were exacerbating the reporting problem, and they've finally acknowledged a lot of these abuses and started to clean up their data.
Using a 5 year Trend line makes the situation look at lot worse than what it actually is. Truth is, the trend line shows about a 1 degree rise in 100 years, which is just about normal and has been documented to have happened many, many, many times before during the Medieval Warm Period, the Little Ice Age and the year without a summer in the early 1800's. (Truth be told these periods have had as much as a 3 degree variation in half the time, but whatever)


Also, why did the trend line go DOWN between the 1930's and the 1970's when we had our BIGGEST increases in Carbon Output? (except for that ONE year, that sticks out like a sore thumb)

Why you guys are so eager to go back to North America being covered by a Sheet of 50' of Ice is beyond me. I mean that IS a natural cycle right? You would think you would welcome the warming.

OK, enough lallygagging, what is the Point?

The point is, why are we seeing all these cold temperatures while we've MASSIVELY increased carbon output. Why has the Carbon output not produced MORE warming over the past decade? Why have 2007 and 2008 (so far) been some of the Coldest years on record in so many areas while Carbon is going up, up, up?

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No Replies, I guess I win.... Wooohooo, Mods you can lock up this thread!

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I can't rep you again [yet] but I would if I could. Pure mastery.

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Why thank you sir, You're too kind.

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So you admit that if you choose 1997 or 1999 (which have much lower temperature values), THE global cooling claim over the past decade collapses into fraudulant propaganda and psuedo-science.

At least you admit your lies.

But it did take a few posts and graphs from me for you to be cornered and exposed thus forcing you to admit it.

I read this thread beginning to end, and I must congratulate you sir! Excellent use of data to prove your point! I am impressed!

I believe this is the point where you lean over, and very quietly whisper in Foolosophy's ear "pwned".

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lol is that graph in tenths of percentages of change? if so, it changed by about 1 degree.