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and how much has the earth warmed over the past 30 years? 0.6 deg C

Thats 0.2 degC per decade. NOT 0.09F per decade (which is about 0.03degC per decade)

BUT then again YOU advocate that the earth has been COOLING since 1998 (mind you NOT 1997 or 1999 - funny that how you massage the data to present your fossil fuel propaganda case - When I say YOU I mean your parroting ways of doing google searches and lifting garbage from spin web sites)


TWO questions remain -

ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE IS GOING TO RISE A FURTHER 1 deg C in the next 100 years?

Why do you do it? WHy do you have so much hatred for climate and atmospheric chemistry experts and so much unabated love for the fossil fuel industry and the your beloved Lying leader George Bush - the leader of the worlds number one criminal political party - THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.??/?

MAYBE YOU CAN CONTINUE YOUR STRAIGHT LINE WITH A SLOPE OF 0.09F PER DECADE FROM THE LATE 19TH CENTURY TO THE END OF 2100, AS A COMPARISON TO THESE PREDICTIONS???

OR ARE YOU AFRAID?



Like I said, go to NOAA's website and put 1997, 98 or 99 and it STILL Shows a downward Trend, Here we go with the PREDICTIONS, if that were to be believed we would be at 2 degrees warmer than 100 years ago by now. Instead, the last 2 years alone have erased all the warming we've had over the past 30 years.

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Here's an article from Time magazine dated June 24th, 1974.

Telltale signs are everywhere —from the unexpected persistence and thickness of pack ice in the waters around Iceland to the southward migration of a warmth-loving creature like the armadillo from the Midwest.Since the 1940s the mean global temperature has dropped about 2.7° F. Although that figure is at best an estimate, it is supported by other convincing data. When Climatologist George J. Kukla of Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory and his wife Helena analyzed satellite weather data for the Northern Hemisphere, they found that the area of the ice and snow cover had suddenly increased by 12% in 1971 and the increase has persisted ever since. Areas of Baffin Island in the Canadian Arctic, for example, were once totally free of any snow in summer; now they are covered year round.

Scientists have found other indications of global cooling. For one thing there has been a noticeable expansion of the great belt of dry, high-altitude polar winds —the so-called circumpolar vortex—that sweep from west to east around the top and bottom of the world. Indeed it is the widening of this cap of cold air that is the immediate cause of Africa's drought. By blocking moisture-bearing equatorial winds and preventing them from bringing rainfall to the parched sub-Sahara region, as well as other drought-ridden areas stretching all the way from Central America to the Middle East and India, the polar winds have in effect caused the Sahara and other deserts to reach farther to the south. Paradoxically, the same vortex has created quite different weather quirks in the U.S. and other temperate zones. As the winds swirl around the globe, their southerly portions undulate like the bottom of a skirt. Cold air is pulled down across the Western U.S. and warm air is swept up to the Northeast. The collision of air masses of widely differing temperatures and humidity can create violent storms—the Midwest's recent rash of disastrous tornadoes, for example.


Thirty years ago the scientists were talking about global cooling and the disasterous effect it would have. Now, the scientists are talking about global warming and the disasterous effect it would have.
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A 4-5 degree increase ove the next century is just ridiculous!
Oh, you prefer the propaganda of NoSocialism and Peabody WHO use a straight line relationship through the 1890 to 2000 data to obtain a temperature increase of 0.09F per decade???

They do this because they know that the relationship is not a simple linear rlationship over this time period and that the first 70 years dampens what has been happening over the past 40 years.

Currently if the 0.2degC per decade continues over the next 100 years then we are looking at a 2 degC increase - MINIMUM.

Thats if we maintain the CO2 levels at the present values - WHICH IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

But if you dont like 5degC increase then choose the middle value. Still stuffed!

OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE INCREASE IN TEMPERATURE WILL BE 0.9F over the next 100 years????

You guys have been exposed as either people who have been sukered in by the fossil fuel industry's web of lies and spin, OR you have an interest in spreading the spin knowing that its missleading and based on psuedo-science.

Either way YOU have all lost a lot of respect in here and therefore are exposed and embarrassed in public

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Since the 1940s the mean global temperature has dropped about 2.7° F. Although that figure is at best an estimate, it is supported by other convincing data.
And how do you explain the 10 year cooling period from the 1940's onwards? (this has been scientifically explained decades ago)

Look at the graph below. There are several such valeys and peaks. Are you worried about the big PEAK which is building up right now?


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NoSocialism, I believe there fever pitch over Global warming is due to the fact they bet the ranch on carbon trading and they see the ground floor they sought to get in on, as a one way elevator to the basement. They were so sure their modest investment was going to net them millions. Now that it's unraveling, they will say anything in a feeble attempt to resurrect their bad investment. Let them cry, whine and scratch all they want, nothing will take away the pain when they lose their shirts on the deal.
Notice how the global warming nut jobs get more desperate by the day (see my post above), you can tell by the fever pitch of their attacks. The Carbon Emissions Stocks are tanking badly, why wouldn't they be desperate. They're looking at serving tourists Clam Chowder and Ice Tea dressed like a Pirate well into their old age because they bet on the grey horse.... AAAARRRRRR matey!
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Notice how the global warming nut jobs get more desperate by the day (see my post above), you can tell by the fever pitch of their attacks. The Carbon Emissions Stocks are tanking badly, why wouldn't they be desperate. They're looking at serving tourists Clam Chowder and Ice Tea dressed like a Pirate well into their old age because they bet on the grey horse.... AAAARRRRRR matey!
Youre on the run Peabody - EXPOSED and EMBARRASSED as a fossil fuel industry propagandist and advocate fo psuedo-scientific garbage.


So tell me PEABODY - How much warming are we expecting over the next century?

is it more than 0.9F???

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Like I said, go to NOAA's website and put 1997, 98 or 99 and it STILL Shows a downward Trend, Here we go with the PREDICTIONS, if that were to be believed we would be at 2 degrees warmer than 100 years ago by now. Instead, the last 2 years alone have erased all the warming we've had over the past 30 years.

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Youre that desperate now that you are starting to lie.

I dont see any point in discussing anything with you

You have no expertise in this area, and you just post spin and psuedo-scientific garbage.

Good luck you on that front.

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Youre that desperate now that you are starting to lie.

I dont see any point in discussing anything with you

You have no expertise in this area, and you just post spin and psuedo-scientific garbage.

Good luck you on that front.

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Again, you state your opinion without providing facts, and again....
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Again, you state your opinion without providing facts, and again....
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How much is the earth going to warm over the next century???

are you going to use your little linear psuedo-scientific prediction that says 0.09F per decade???

is the earth going to warm up only a further 0.9F over the next 100 years?

OR IS IT GOING THROUGH A COOLING PHASE??



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They are soooo desperate to make their cap and trade system work, but alas it's failing and the fear and desperation is oozing from their pores and their keyboards. Like mice in a wheel they run and run to convince people of their point of view, but the con job is falling apart.

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Poll: most Britons doubt cause of climate change

The majority of the British public is still not convinced that climate change is caused by humans - and many others believe scientists are exaggerating the problem, according to an exclusive poll for The Observer.

The results have shocked campaigners who hoped that doubts would have been silenced by a report last year by more than 2,500 scientists for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which found a 90 per cent chance that humans were the main cause of climate change and warned that drastic action was needed to cut greenhouse gas emissions.

The findings come just before the release of the government's long-awaited renewable energy strategy, which aims to cut the UK's greenhouse gas emissions by 20 per cent over the next 12 years.

The poll, by Ipsos MORI, found widespread contradictions, with some people saying politicians were not doing enough to tackle the problem, even though they were cynical about government attempts to impose regulations or raise taxes. In a sign of the enormous task ahead for those pushing for drastic cuts to carbon emissions, many people said they did not want to restrict their lifestyles and only a small minority believe they need to make 'significant and radical' changes such as driving and flying less.

'It's disappointing and the government will be really worried,' said Jonathon Porritt, chairman of the government's Sustainable Development Commission. 'They [politicians] need the context in which they're developing new policies to be a lot stronger and more positive. Otherwise the potential for backlash and unpopularity is considerable.'

There is growing concern that an economic depression and rising fuel and food prices are denting public interest in environmental issues. Some environmentalists blame the public's doubts on last year's Channel 4 documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle, and on recent books, including one by Lord Lawson, the former Chancellor, that question the consensus on climate change.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...arbonemissions
Most people know a swindle when they see it, but there will always be suckers who swallow the bait hook, line and sinker!

It was over the minute they exempted China, Russia and India just to get them to sign, none of them have any intention of complying. This was done to try to make the U.S. look bad by being the only ones not joining. But that strategy was destine to blow up in their faces as soon as Japan, Spain and Italy had to buy $11 Billion in carbon credits from some of the worst polluters on the planet. What I can't believe is they thought the developed nations would sit still for that. We aren't the "developed" nations because were stupid, we know when out collective pockets are being picked. I can't wait for the green chip investors take a bath for what they tried. Take my advice sell those carbon trading stocks NOW, in six months they'll be good for cutting into 4 inch squares and placing by the commode, just in case you run out of regular paper.
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