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Old 12-10-2008, 10:04 PM
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You still haven't provided evidence that all planets of the Planets were heating up at the SAME TIME the Earth was?

You still have not shown how "Earth's dusty neighbour Mars is grappling with its own form of climate change as fluctuating solar radiation is kicking up dust and winds that may be melting the planet's southern polar ice cap, scientists have announced." supports your argument that the sun is causing all of Mars to warm.

You haven't addressed John Christy's quote

You were wrong when you stated that "We are at 23 months now, and it is still falling, like a rock..."

You haven't answered why high temperature records are not evidence of GW but low temperature records are evidence against GW.

You never answered "Are you you denying not only AGW, but that global warming exists?"

You keep posting articles and expect us to educate you. Stop changing the subject every time you cannot answer a question.

If you want responses to your articles, respond to the above statements. Otherwise I'll just keep C&Ping above statements every time you post a new article.
I think you need to go look at the data they use...

And tell me when the Russian readings stopped being used.

And then see if that correlates to some "sudden increase" in the "overall warming".

Funny, if you take out the data points that generated the lowest average temperatures, the overall average left will somehow miraculously increase.

And if you aren't smart enough to go LOOK AT THE DATA to understand why it changed so drastically and so quickly, then you wouldn't realize that the vast majority of Sites being used for this Data do NOT conform to the Regulations required for true readings.

Many are now in the middle of Urban areas that have their own way of "turning up the heat" without relly having the increases that are being registered. This is particularly true in 3rd World Nations that are developing quickly, like China.

That os why I point to the atmospheric measurements, and not those directly on the surface. They are much more accurate.
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Old 12-11-2008, 05:10 AM
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I think you need to go look at the data they use...

And tell me when the Russian readings stopped being used.

And then see if that correlates to some "sudden increase" in the "overall warming".

Funny, if you take out the data points that generated the lowest average temperatures, the overall average left will somehow miraculously increase.

And if you aren't smart enough to go LOOK AT THE DATA to understand why it changed so drastically and so quickly, then you wouldn't realize that the vast majority of Sites being used for this Data do NOT conform to the Regulations required for true readings.

Many are now in the middle of Urban areas that have their own way of "turning up the heat" without relly having the increases that are being registered. This is particularly true in 3rd World Nations that are developing quickly, like China.

That os why I point to the atmospheric measurements, and not those directly on the surface. They are much more accurate.
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You still haven't provided evidence that all planets of the Planets were heating up at the SAME TIME the Earth was?
Care to address this?
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Old 12-11-2008, 10:56 AM
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Care to address this?
Anyone who cares to look it up for themself can see, plainly...

You seem to claim it is BECAUSE of some "Dust storm" on Mars, I say the Dust storm is caused by the heating.
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Anyone who cares to look it up for themself can see, plainly...

You seem to claim it is BECAUSE of some "Dust storm" on Mars, I say the Dust storm is caused by the heating.
And I say it is natural causes heating and cooling is nature and nature should be left alone to take care of its self. Now the CO2 put in to the air has caused the earth to cool 1 degree in 2008 explain how you keep saying it is warming up. Provide a link that claimes that the earth is still warming after late 2007-2008.
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Anyone who cares to look it up for themself can see, plainly...

You seem to claim it is BECAUSE of some "Dust storm" on Mars, I say the Dust storm is caused by the heating.
Are the dust strorms global or only at the southern pole?
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Are the dust strorms global or only at the southern pole?
Dust storms are globaly and univereal.
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Old 12-11-2008, 11:44 AM
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And I say it is natural causes heating and cooling is nature and nature should be left alone to take care of its self. Now the CO2 put in to the air has caused the earth to cool 1 degree in 2008 explain how you keep saying it is warming up. Provide a link that claimes that the earth is still warming after late 2007-2008.
It isn't.

I made no such claim.
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And I say it is natural causes heating and cooling is nature and nature should be left alone to take care of its self. Now the CO2 put in to the air has caused the earth to cool 1 degree in 2008 explain how you keep saying it is warming up. Provide a link that claimes that the earth is still warming after late 2007-2008.
And it wasn't the CO2 that caused the cooling...

It is the lack of Sunspot activity, for some time, and it is just now starting to get active, but not as active as it should be.
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Are the dust strorms global or only at the southern pole?

Do you ever get the feeling in dealing with the deniers that mankind as a species may go the way of the Dodo bird?

Here is satellite video of the melting polar cap over the last 20 years:


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And it wasn't the CO2 that caused the cooling...

It is the lack of Sunspot activity, for some time, and it is just now starting to get active, but not as active as it should be.
I know I was agreeing with you.
They say CO2 is causing GW. It is not because despite the rise in CO2 the earth is cooling.
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