If you think man causes global warming, explain this graph - Page 46

MannieD · #**451** (**permalink**) 12-15-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaar

Nope.

The Sun heats both Mars and Earth.

You are aware of that, right?

Without the Sun, they are both blocks of ice.

Trying to change the subject again?
"Earth's dusty neighbour Mars is grappling with its own form of climate change as fluctuating solar radiation is kicking up dust and winds that may be melting the planet's southern polar ice cap, scientists have announced." supports your argument that the sun is causing all of Mars to warm.

How does the localized warming caused by dust and wind on Mars relate to the global warming on earth?

MannieD · #**452** (**permalink**) 12-15-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by teeko

Both I don't think the earth is warming and I don't believe humans are causing it. I believe nature works in mysterious ways..

Even your heroes Singer, Lindzen , Robinson, etc. accept the earth is warming. Show me any climatologist with that does not accept the earth is getting warmer.

So why is your 15 degrees in WA evidence against GW and my 60 degrees in NH not evidence for GW?

teeko · #**453** (**permalink**) 12-15-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MannieD

Even your heroes Singer, Lindzen , Robinson, etc. accept the earth is warming. Show me any climatologist with that does not accept the earth is getting warmer.

So why is your 15 degrees in WA evidence against GW and my 60 degrees in NH not evidence for GW?

Because it is only 36 in NH today and 23 low.60 in NH LMAO
It isn't even 60 in Phoenix today.

catawba · #**454** (**permalink**) 12-15-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Palmetto Publius

Natural selection

It seems that what we will see with Global warming. I wish the next dominant species the best of luck. My guess is the paramecium or whatever it is will fair better than Man or the Dodo bird.

catawba · #**455** (**permalink**) 12-15-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MannieD

Even your heroes Singer, Lindzen , Robinson, etc. accept the earth is warming. Show me any climatologist with that does not accept the earth is getting warmer.

So why is your 15 degrees in WA evidence against GW and my 60 degrees in NH not evidence for GW?

Don't give up on teekers ,Mannie. We have made progress! She now concedes that the earth is not flat. I know, its not much, but its a start in the right direction!!!

PatriotNews · #**456** (**permalink**) 12-15-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bugalugs

No you have not done that at all. You have, to your credit, linked to a 17-year-old paper that questioned some of the modelling being used.

You are the one telling lies again:

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Originally Posted by bugalugs

Well done PatriotNews!!!!

After some 10 months since you made your claim that [i]"there are actually scientists who disagree completely with the theory, and its unproven cause/effect relationships, and the faulty data/science behind it".

True - it does date back to 2001. And true, the lead authors Soon and Baliunas are astrophysicists - not really a discipline normally associated with climatology or atmospheric physics.

2001 is not 17 years.

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Originally Posted by bugalugs

But the paper concluded:

Our review does not disprove a significant anthropogenic influence on global climate.

Wrong again. You intentionally avoid their real conclusions as did MannieD. It's an inconvenient truth:

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Originally Posted by PatriotNews

You intentionally overlook the real conclusions and point to the PC disclaimers.

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5. CONCLUSIONS
Our current lack of understanding of the Earth’s climate
system does not allow us to determine reliably
the magnitude of climate change that will be caused by
anthropogenic CO2 emissions, let alone whether this
change will be for better or for worse.

Why is that?

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Originally Posted by bugalugs

3. Can you provide evidence to support your statement:
"You are the one who lies. you say that there are no scientists that disagree with AGW"

I have never said that there are no scientists who disagreed AGW. You told a lie when you said I did.

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Originally Posted by bugalugs

If, as you say, "there are actually scientists who disagree completely with the theory, and its unproven cause/effect relationships, and the faulty data/science behind it". Can you please quote for me some of the papers that these scientists are publishing in peer-reviewed scientific journals?

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Originally Posted by bugalugs

I am still waiting for you to show me some published research from a scientist.

Who are these "many scientists who disagree with the fact that anthropogenic climate change is a reality". Where is their published research supporting their opinions?

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Originally Posted by bugalugs

I have not attacked Andrew Bolt and Benny Peiser. I have attacked you for using them as sources, and for lying about Benny Peiser's qualifications.

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Originally Posted by bugalugs

Ha ha ha ha! you are quoting Andrew Bolt!

Why do you think that the opinion of a very bad journalist "proves your point"?

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Originally Posted by bugalugs

Who is this "scientist" you speak of? Benny Peiser is not a scientist.

Lies, lies and more lies.

Gaar · #**457** (**permalink**) 12-15-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MannieD

Trying to change the subject again?
"Earth's dusty neighbour Mars is grappling with its own form of climate change as fluctuating solar radiation is kicking up dust and winds that may be melting the planet's southern polar ice cap, scientists have announced." supports your argument that the sun is causing all of Mars to warm.

How does the localized warming caused by dust and wind on Mars relate to the global warming on earth?

I say it is the warming that is causing the dust storms...

wyly · #**458** (**permalink**) 12-15-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaar

I say it is the warming that is causing the dust storms...

you also say the center of the earth is a nuclear reactor...

PatriotNews · #**459** (**permalink**) 12-15-2008, 09:01 PM

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SIOUX FALLS, S.D. — Temperatures crashed to record lows well below zero Monday as a huge mass of arctic air blustered southward across the Midwest and West, keeping people indoors and leading some cities to open shelters.

The cold and remnants of the weekend blizzard that accompanied it closed hundreds of schools from the northern Plains to the Great Lakes states.

The St. Francis House shelter for the homeless in Sioux Falls, S.D., where Monday's low was minus 11, was a lifesaver, said Richard Byrd.

"I would be probably huddled up right now under a bunch of blankets because this was my only alternative. If it wasn't for the St. Francis house, I'd be in a scary, scary situation," he said.

Major highways in Minnesota, and North and South Dakota reopened after Sunday's blizzard dropped as much as 14 inches of snow, but hundreds of schools were closed in the three states.

Monday morning lows in North Dakota included minus 18 in Bismarck, with a wind chill factor of minus 42. The smaller communities of Bowbells and Berthold reported wind chill factors at around 50 below.

In Williston, N.D., Penny Groth acknowledged: "It's just darn cold right now." She said the Gramma Sharon's Family Restaurant she owns had been closed since Saturday night because of the snow and cold.

Monday's cold was an abrupt change for many areas. Illinois had unseasonable warmth Sunday with temperatures in the 50s, but Monday morning lows were in the single digits across the northern part of the state. Rockford had a low of just 3, and 20 mph wind made it feel like minus 18, the National Weather Service said.

"Right now it looks like it's about 14 degrees," cashier Mike Kanise said Monday afternoon as he checked a weather station at Hannel's Amaco truck stop in Jacksonville, Ill. "Feels like it's minus 1."

Hundreds of Illinois schools were closed because of ice-covered roads. More schools were closed in Michigan, where northern areas had blizzard conditions as wind gusting to more than 50 mph caused whiteouts and generated wind chills as low as 30 below.

The storm and ensuing cold have been blamed for at least nine deaths. An avalanche in Colorado claimed the life of a Ski Patrol member, and exposure probably killed an 87-year-old man found outside his Montana nursing home. Weather-related car accidents were responsible for two deaths each in North Dakota and Missouri. Three traffic deaths were attributed to the weather in Oklahoma.

In Wyoming, authorities on Sunday morning rescued two men stranded overnight on an island in a reservoir where they had been fishing. The freezing cold and high winds prevented them from returning to shore.

Thermometers read 31 below Monday in Glasgow, Mont., and the wind chill was 45 below, the Weather Service said. The Texas Panhandle had lows in the single digits, and Goodland, Kan., registered a record low of minus 10.

Record lows Monday included minus 19 in Denver, where the previous Dec. 15 record of minus 6 was set in 1951; and minus 16 at Sidney, Neb.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/6166734.html

http://www.iceagenow.com/Record_Lows_2008.htm

wyly · #**460** (**permalink**) 12-15-2008, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PatriotNews

wow that's incredible evidence....I never would have expected winter weather in the WINTER!

minus 30c here and life goes on nothing shuts down little kiddies waddle off to school as usual...I haven't experienced a cold winter in 9 years, only minus 30c is the one benefit of AGW I enjoy...

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