11 warmest years on record have come in the last 13 yrs...at the moment we are in a solar minimum where we should be experiencing colder temps but we're not, even our cold temps are warmer than normal...now the solar cycle should begin to rise over 11yrs to a maximun

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1213101419.htm

[quote]Lobbying Congress has little to do with every retail store in America selling these bulbs. Every store I know sells CFL's and incandescents and the consumer makes the choice...not GE!

I am unaware of any scientist who says mankind causes global climate change?? Mankind certainly has exacerbated the CO2 issue.

It's not global warming...it's global climate change. And nearly everything that might be done to mitigate our CO2 emissions, regardless of global climate change issues, are good things for our environment...

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When Americans wake up so will the country...until then...we remain comatose and hopeless...

not true....the PT extinction, "the great Die Off" has been linked to CO2 increases

you who use the name "NO Socialism" has issues with the free market system ????

I was around in the 70's...your basing your perception on one journalistic article in Newsweek....even in the 70's the scientific trend was leaning heavily towards Global Warming, Newsweek thought warming doesn't scare anyone but cooling really does...and they were right you and millions of others bought into it....

here is a graph of the number of papers written about cooling, warming and neutral at that time...

You are correct. What I wrote makes no sense. What I had intended to write, if you follow through on the logic, was "There would have to be more than 9 billion CFLs broken per year to do more damage than the coal plants. So if all 9 billion CFLs were broken (which they won't be (hence the word "they"), CFLs still reduce the amount of mercury in the environment."

And you didn't address the your comparison of CFL usage with CFL breakage. How do yo break 9 billion CFLs a year?

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Where's you're link to how you got that Data? I ran a similar graph a year ago off of NASA's website and here's what I got:


Didn't you hear? NASA had to backtrack on their claims of the "Warmest Year Ever" when a schoolboy realized that they had made some improper "Adjustments" on facts.

Also, just recently, the EPA released a 98 page report, that the Globe is actually cooling and will continue to cool until "AT LEAST" 2030!

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did you read the titles of the graphs???????

the one I posted was for GLOBALdata...yours was only the USA, the USA which makes up just 2% of the earths surface, hardly significant...

98 vs 34 was no more than ego-centric confusion, americans think they're the center of the universe...98 was the warmest year on record GLOBALLY...34 was the USA's warmest...so nothing has changed 98 is still the warmest on record...and that schoolboy is 35yrs old...

conspiracy nuts...oh ya the EPA controls all the sceintists on the planet and they're all hiding the real date...that's right up there with the automotive manfacturers that are hiding secret carburators that get a 100mpg....do you wear a hat with tinfoil lining??

Amazing that people can't even agree to the historical climate data?

There are data for every day, week, month and year showing precise temperatures...and it's either going up or down...on average.

If it's going up, the next problem is finding anyone who can say 'what' needs to be done to slow or stop it, 'who' must participate, 'when' this must be done, and of course how much money US/world citizens are willing to spend towards the mitigation.

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Obviously you haven't seen the latest EPA study that shows that Temps are declining

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[quote=OldManOnFire;1437120] Obviously you haven't heard the news, well my less enlightened brethren, I shall fill you in. President Bush late last year signed a Bill into law that will ban the Incandescent Bulb by 2012, so NO, you will no longer have a choice. No doubt the MASSIVE GE Lobby had something to do with it, they'd rather that you choke down on their Profit Fattening, Mercury filled Spirals of Poison, than make your own choice on what you would like to purchase.


[quote=OldManOnFire;1437120]Isn't that what Al Gore was saying... what do you think "Anthropogenic" Climate change means? It means "Man Made".


[quote=OldManOnFire;1437120]First of all, let's say that I accept your premise. That the Air that comes out of my lungs, filled with CO2 as it is, is a "Pollutant". I wouldn't replace that pollutant with ANOTHER pollutant, that's just idiotic. Especially knowing that Millions of years ago, the planet had 21X the levels of CO2 than it does today! Take a look at this chart and you can see that over the past 600 Million years, we are actually COLDER today than we've been throughout most of our history.


What you don't seem to realize is that we're currently still in an Ice Age. Ice Ages support LESS life than Warmer ages. Go up to the Arctic and you'll find a vast wasteland with very little life.

Look at the Medieval Warm Period Prior to the 1300's, the population in Europe EXPLODED. Look at the little Ice Age, between the 1300's and the 1600's, the population was CUT IN HALF!. Go down to the Equator and you'll find forest TEAMING with life. What about that don't you understand? Who are you going to believe Al Gore or your Eyes!

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See the Above chart and you will realize that you are mistaken.
What exactly is "Free Market" about a Giant company forcing many of their competitors out of business via Government regulations. That's not a Free Market system, that is at best Fascism, where the "State" takes an interest in "Key" businesses and at worst it's a Criminal Empire, where the deck is stacked against all but those with the "Right" connections.
It wasn't just Newsweek, I distinctly remember when I was 15 and I had just moved to Florida, there was an article in Time Magazine showing South Florida underwater because of Global Cooling.
Let's see, Time Magazine, 1977:


And here's two competing articles from Time, one from 1975 and the other from 1987 or 97... I can't quite make it out... but you get the picture:


Here's the one from Newsweek that you were talking about:

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