CIA double agent jihadist: "The belief in Allah...cannot be exchanged

DutchClogCyborg · #1 (**permalink**) 01-09-2010, 11:02 AM

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In this video, CIA informant-turned-bomber Humam Khalil Abu-Mulal frames his case in explicitly Islamic terms. He warns the U.S. that "the belief in Allah...cannot be exchanged for all the wealth in the world," speaks of the mujahedin "as Muslims," and concludes that "our jihad, inshallah, will continue until we free our prisoners and until the word of Allah prevails." That last bit echoes Qur'an 8:39: "And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere."

Yet we hear constantly that the mujahedin are not Muslims, that they have twisted and hijacked Islam, and that their war has nothing to do with Islam. Can we get a clarification on this, please? Would any of the other "moderate" Muslim spokesmen in the U.S. care to explain exactly how Humam Khalil Abu-Mulal is getting Islam all wrong, wrong, wrong?

I know I keep asking this, and I know no one is answering or will answer, but the question is important, and I am going to keep asking it as long as we keep hearing that the mujahedin "misinterpret" and "misunderstand" Islam. For if they do, the problem of jihad terrorism is of one dimension, but if they don't, it changes immensely in magnitude.

Words from Mr Spencer

CIA bomber' shown vowing revenge," from the BBC, January 9 (thanks to all who sent this in):

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...The video shows a man alleged to be bomber Humam Khalil Abu-Mulal al-Balawi, the Jordanian double agent and suicide bomber, explaining who he is and vowing revenge for Pakistani Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud's death.

Mehsud's successor, Hakimullah Mehsud, appears to be sat [sic] beside him, although he is not named in the video....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8449875.stm

calmObserver · #2 (**permalink**) 01-09-2010, 12:02 PM

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He warns the U.S. that "the belief in Allah...cannot be exchanged for all the wealth in the world,"

juan coles interpretation;

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He said he would prove that religion could not be bought and sold (was the CIA offering him millions as a reward?) for more...

and lets be clear your quote came from spencer not the bbc;

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The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) called Jihad Watch an "Internet hate site" and claimed it is "notorious for its depiction of Islam as an inherently violent faith that is a threat to world peace." [12] Guardian writer Brian Whitaker describes Jihad Watch as a "notoriously Islamophobic website",[13] while other critics such as Dinesh D'Souza,[14] Karen Armstrong,[15] and Cathy Young,[16] point to what they see as deliberate mischaracterizations of Islam and Muslims by Spencer as inherently violent and therefore prone to terrorism. Various attempts to block the site based on allegations of "hate speech" have been mostly unsuccessful.[17][18] In response to criticism, Spencer states that he vehemently rejects the "Islamophobe" label, "which is only a tool used by Islamic apologists to silence criticism".[19]

Former Pakistan Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, in her book Reconciliation: Islam, Democracy, and the West, wrote that Spencer uses his blog JihadWatch to spread misinformation and hatred of Islam. She added that he presents a skewed, one-sided, and inflammatory story that only helps to sow the seed of civilizational conflict.[20] for more...

appears to be a david duke sort of character.

Edwin30 · #3 (**permalink**) 01-09-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by calmObserver

juan coles interpretation

Is that the same Juan Cole who was denied tenure at Yale on the basis of a vote of no confidence due to insufficient scholarship?

DutchClogCyborg · #4 (**permalink**) 01-10-2010, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by calmObserver

juan coles interpretation;

and lets be clear your quote came from spencer not the bbc;

appears to be a david duke sort of character.

Would not take CAIR serious if I were you, they are currently engaged in many dubious law suits, one against a apostate girl to bring her back to her Muslim family which is very extreme, and one to shut up bad publicity on the topic of Jihad, tell me do christians go to court to stop information about the crusades? the witch hunts and other bad elementals of their religion?

Mr Spencer has yet to be debunked in a 1on1 debate.

calmObserver · #5 (**permalink**) 01-13-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Edwin30

Is that the same Juan Cole who was denied tenure at Yale on the basis of a vote of no confidence due to insufficient scholarship?

you bet ~ know why?

Pro-Israel Neocons Torpedo Juan Cole Appointment at Yale

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M.J. Rosenberg just gave me a head’s up about Yale’s withdrawal of a faculty appointment to Juan Cole after a concerted campaign against him from Yale Jewish donors and other Jewish neocons. Both Jewish Week and The Nation report that Cole had been approved by several faculty committees before pro-Israel forces managed to muster a a concerted effort to stop him.

remember one thing edwin, in the end truth triumphs

Azuki Bean · #6 (**permalink**) 01-13-2010, 08:21 PM

Is this thread about a person who believes themselves religious and will not trade in those principles for wealth - selling out? Or is it about the variety of possible interpretations of Jihad? Or both?

DutchClogCyborg · #7 (**permalink**) 01-13-2010, 11:36 PM

Its a highly educated man which was afraid to die a natural death. he preferd to die in glory killing the infidels

moon · #8 (**permalink**) 01-14-2010, 12:34 AM

He had a bookfull of valid reasons for attacking invaders , reasons which we would rather forget or kick under the carpet, eh Clogged ?

-FiX- · #9 (**permalink**) 01-14-2010, 12:37 AM

Islam and nazism is the same.

You cannot convince people believing in those evil ideologies that they are evil and leads to destruction.

The belief in Hitler/Allah cannot be exchanged only by stupid people and ignorent people.

DutchClogCyborg · #10 (**permalink**) 01-14-2010, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

He had a bookfull of valid reasons for attacking invaders , reasons which we would rather forget or kick under the carpet, eh Clogged ?

it seems you support the Taliban which bombed schools full of childeren because they were females, and should not get education.

What is the reason for this? Hate females? democracy? The Taliban were dictators mind you

Dubious morals at best Moon.

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