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Old 04-22-2008, 03:06 AM
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Show me where in the Bible it demands that everyone be a Christian.
Well, it claims to be the one true religion, doesn't it? Thou shalt have no god before me and such. Doesn't that mean that it's the only religion that people should believe in?
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Jesus Christ told people to love one another and forgive. muhammed spent his life going around raping, thieving, abusing children, murdering people in cold blood, massacring people, and conquering people.

Any acts of violence done in the name of Christianity had nothing to do with Christianity and was a distortion of the religion. Any violence done in the name of islam is exactly what their perfect madman of a unholy prophet and their stupid piece of trash, unholy pile of crap called the quran told them to do.
I prefer forgiveness to killing everyone I don't agree with. And if every muslim acted like that, I would be perfectly happy giving them a death sentence. And I don't care who's distorting what, people kill in the name of God. People use the bible to fuel their hatred. Preachers teach their follows to fear certain people, and fear grows into hate, which the followers then use to justify violence. It doesn't matter that the bible says love they neighbor if the followers don't read it.
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Old 04-22-2008, 05:26 AM
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Religions can be twisted.

But it certainly looks like Islam actively endorses killing. If there is some way that all those verses means something else "in context" one of the people arguing that point might want to give the context.
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Well, it claims to be the one true religion, doesn't it? Thou shalt have no god before me and such. Doesn't that mean that it's the only religion that people should believe in?
And? Did Jesus force people to follow him? No. He let his followers choose to follow him. And once he had followers he did not start forcably converting or killing anyone who opposed him. See that's the big difference between Christianity and Islam.
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And? Did Jesus force people to follow him? No. He let his followers choose to follow him. And once he had followers he did not start forcably converting or killing anyone who opposed him. See that's the big difference between Christianity and Islam.
There have been plenty of people who claimed to act on behalf of Jesus who did start forcably converting or killing anyone who opposed him. See that's the big similarity between Christianity and Islam.
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Direct quotes from the Quran:

ANNOUNCE PAINFUL PUNISHMENT TO THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE (9:3)

O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred... (8:65)

Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve (8:55)

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah...And the Jews say Ezra is the son of God; and the Christians say Christ is the son of God; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; Allah's curse be on them; how they are turned away!" (Koran 9:29-30)

And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah (8:39)

When the sacred months have passed away, THEN SLAY THE IDOLATERS WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, AND TAKE THEM CAPTIVES AND BESIEGE THEM AND LIE IN WAIT FOR THEM IN EVERY AMBUSH, then if they repent and keep up prayer [become believers] and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them (9:5)

And if they intend to act unfaithfully towards you, so indeed they acted unfaithfully towards Allah before, but He GAVE YOU MASTERY OVER THEM (8:71)

FIGHT THEM: ALLAH WILL PUNISH THEM BY YOUR HANDS AND BRING THEM TO DISGRACE, AND ASSIST YOU AGAINST THEM. (9:14)

FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, NOR FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF TRUTH, OUT OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE BOOK [Christians and Jews], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and THEY ARE IN A STATE OF SUBJECTION. (9:29)

O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination. (9:73)

O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). (9:123)

I WILL CAST TERROR INTO THE HEARTS OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE. THEREFORE STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS AND STRIKE OFF EVERY FINGERTIP OF THEM. THIS IS BECAUSE THEY ACTED ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER; AND WHOEVER ACTS ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER - THEN SURELY ALLAH IS SEVERE IN REQUITING (EVIL). THIS - TASTE IT, AND (KNOW) THAT FOR THE UNBELIEVERS IS THE PUNISHMENT OF FIRE. O you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them. And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day - unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company - then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be. So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy) but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; (8:12-17)
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hahha he wears a mask because he is fake and the link he has provided has verses out of context
Well then *insult withheld by author* Post the proper context. I mean really, if everything but what you read is out of context, enlighten us.
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There have been plenty of people who claimed to act on behalf of Jesus who did start forcably converting or killing anyone who opposed him. See that's the big similarity between Christianity and Islam.
So if idiots do stupid things and claim to be part of your group, it casts a bad light on your group. The point of this whole thing is the Bible doesn't say kill, torture or maim unbelievers. The quran does.
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O.K. I had to read the Quran this year for my world history class and all I got out of it was that Mohommad is nuts. I would not consider myself christian although I was rasied christian, but at least the bible makes sense.
All the Quran says is "do this becasue Allah says so and Allah is great." there are no parables or stories, everything is just "do what Allah says or die because Allah is great."
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There have been plenty of people who claimed to act on behalf of Jesus who did start forcably converting or killing anyone who opposed him. See that's the big similarity between Christianity and Islam.

Wrong, no where did Jesus say to do this, this was done on their own accord. Muhammed on the other hand not only said to do those things he lead by example.
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