Now that's really out of context. Jesus did not say to do that. The nobleman in the parable Jesus was telling said that. Even if you think Jesus was talking about himself in the parable, the analogy would suggest that the killing should not begin until after the Second Coming.

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War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.

It's a post 9/11 world.

That is Old Testament, Jesus fullfilled that covenant, it has no bearing on Christainity.

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Conan! What is best in life?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women

Did they look like psychos? Is that what they looked like? They were vampires. Psychos do not explode when sunlight hits them, I don't give a **** how crazy they are!

Christs followers have punished and tortured people for not believing, because they thought their religion condoned it. I see no practical difference.

One is in the past and the other the here and now.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

When did the Catholics and protestants quit killing each other?

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War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.

It's a post 9/11 world.

Are they, I hadn't noticed any such thing. As I said, there is no global Christian jihad. Christian infighting is another topic of little concern to me. But, it IS ridiculous in any way to suggest Jesus Christ condoned violence in any way, except for self-defense. And that is a very important distinction between it and islam.

The simple truth is that islam has always been violent, an evil conqueror of great civilizations, a sick vulture that devours civilizations and leaves nothing but destruction, poverty, and death behind. For some time, its global jihad was stalled, but the oil revenues are now funding its resurgence. This is nothing new we are facing. It started with the madman they consider thier prophet who set about conquering the Arabian peninsula through brutal oppression all the while looting and murdering anyone who wouldn't join his cult, follow his orders, raping women, and abusing children. This is a fairly stark contrast between him and Jesus Christ by the way I think any fool ought to be able to notice.

And, islam hasn't changed. They view that sick camelturd as perfect even now, a perfect example and his instructions to kill all infidels is religious law affecting all who call themselves muslim. muhammed was a terrorist, they view muhammed as perfect, therefore they embrace terrorism.

Its that simple.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

In large numbers? A long long time ago. If you mean the troubles in Ireland that was as much territorial as religious, and I think things have been fairly mellow for nearly a decade.


If we still have any Muslims here. If things are taken out of context you are free to explain how. Maybe like the Luke quote Mohammad was quoting someone else or something.

Islam's Reality - Islam's Biggest Contribution To Humanity: Insults, Slavery, Opression, And Oceans of Blood
By ibn Misr

Jihad statistical complement to our previous posting "Islam's Reality - A glimpse into the life of non-Muslims under Islamic oppression" and references-definitions of the hateful teaching in the koran

Moses brought the ten commandments, gave his people freedom out of bondage, and led them to the promised land.

Jesus raised the dead, healed the sick, fed the hungry, made the blind see, told His followers to love their enemies, bless who curse them, and died so people can live for ever.

muhammad broke the ten commandments, got people into bondage and slavery, scorched the blooming land, killed the living, sickened the healthy, looted the food of others, gouged the eyes of those who see, told his followers to hate who offers them love, curse those who extend their hands to help them, and lived to give forever death.

Now you know why muslims call him, "the most honorable of all prophets." Short of finding anything else to say about him ...

Contributed by Claudia Cassandra

The Koran does not actually ever use the word unbeliever. It calls non-Muslims "kafirs" [or kufars]. The Koran defines the kafir and says that the kafir is to be:

Hated 40:35, Mocked 83:34, Punished 25:77, Beheaded 47:4, Confused 6:25, Plotted against 86:15, Terrorized 8:12, Annihilated 6:45, Killed 4:91, Crucified 5:33, Made war on 9:29, Not befriended 3:28, Disgraced 37:18
Considered Evil 23:97, considered a partner of Satan: 25:55, considered Unclean: 9:28, considered Cursed: 33:60

Christians and Jews are infidels, but infidels are kafirs, too. Polytheists are Hindus, but they are also kafirs. The terms infidel and polytheist are religious words. Only the word “kafir” shows the common political treatment of Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, [and Zoroastrian, Bahai, Shintoist], animist, atheist and humanist.

The Koran defines the kafir, and kafir is not a neutral word. A kafir is not merely someone who does not agree with Islam, but a kafir is evil, disgusting, and the lowest form of life. Kafirs can be tortured, killed, lied to and cheated. So the usual word “unbeliever” does not reflect the political reality of Islam. http://www.politicalislam.com/pages/kafir

These figures are a rough estimate of the death [The Great Annihilation] of non-Muslims by the political act of jihad.

Africa:
Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic, and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the
Middle East. For every slave captured many others died. Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David
Livingstone, p. 62, 1888.] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.
120 million Africans


Christians:
The number of Christians martyred by Islam is 9 million [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-10] . A rough estimate by Raphael
Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad. So counting the million African Christians killed in the 20th century we have:
60 million Christians


Hindus:
Koenard Elst in Negationism in India gives an estimate of 80 million Hindus killed in the total jihad against India. [Koenard Elst, Negationism in India, Voice of India, New Delhi, 2002, pg. 34.] The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush, meaning the
“funeral pyre of the Hindus.”
80 million Hindus


Buddhists:
Buddhists do not keep up with the history of war. Keep in mind that in jihad only Christians and Jews were allowed to survive as dhimmis (servants to Islam); everyone else had to convert or die. Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India. The total is roughly 10 million. [David B. Barrett, Todd M.
Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-1.]
10 million Buddhists


Jews:
Oddly enough there were not enough Jews killed in jihad to significantly affect the totals of the Great Annihilation. The jihad in Arabia was 100 percent effective, but the numbers were in the thousands, not millions. After that, the Jews submitted and became the dhimmis (servants and second class citizens) of Islam and did not have
geographic political power. [But for Muslim complicity in the Nazi extermination of 6 million Jews during WWII, see:
http://www.tellchildrenthetruth.com/gallery/
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Rea...F-DE6D30800D96 ]

http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/tears-of-jihad/


This gives a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad

No wonder muslims' slogan is, "islam is the solution," 270 million dead can't lie, islam for them was the solution unlike any other solution. It was their final solution that made extra solutions unnecessary ...

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

That is taken from one of Jesus' parables Luke 19:11-27 and is not an actual order to kill nonbelievers. Try not to take things out of context next time

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Sad life hah?

You are joking right? It must be!