[quote]To UN types, liberals, and appeasers, a dictator who commits mass murder and genocide within his borders only is no problem. But how would you expect people who are the supporters of the abortion holocaust to think? Wars are bad, "quiet" mass exterminations are no problem.

Ah ha, the last refuge of an appeaser getting his ass kicked in debate - trot out the hoary old donald rumsfeld helping the iraqis chestnut - as usual, shorn of the geopolitical context of that help.

Yes, but that's what you appeasers want - abandon the difficult democracy project and leave it to which islamofascist tribe comes out on top.

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Actually, that's the standard policy of the CIA - ally with anyone regardless of what they're doing in their own countries if they claim they'll support U.S. interests. It's really sick because it then allows the U.S. to give more aid to these dictators which strengthens them against a possible revolt from their own people. But hey - that's not what the good ole U.S. of A wants... We want to stick our noses into everyone else's business and let our young men die for them and let our taxpayers pay to overthrow their dictators. Yeah, that's the way we do it...


Except that - WHOOPS - I'm Pro-Life... Now who's consistent? I'm pro-life, against pre-emptive wars, and against the death penalty, while supporting the right to bear arms for personal defense.

Oh, did you think you were debating a liberal??? ROTFL.

It proves conclusively that your side is hypocritical and inept. And that's why their wonderful war in Iraq is failing miserably...

Well, that's what's going to happen anyway, Einstein, regardless of what anyone wants, because your Master Bush has set it up that way. I know you hate to consider something called the truth, but it's there for all to see:

The (Islamic) Republic of Iraq

A Strange Sort of Freedom
by Jeffrey Tucker

You know that you are living in strange times when a single news item on the Iraqi Constitution contains supporting comments from Bush ("completing the next step in their transition from dictatorship to democracy... this constitution is good for all Iraqis and that it adequately reflects compromises suitable to all groups") and an open admission that the constituion erects an Islamic state that robs women of rights they had taken for granted under the regime that the US overthrew:

"Under the new constitution, Islam would become the official religion of the Iraqi state, and be regarded as "a main source of legislation." Clerics would more than likely sit on the Supreme Court, and judges would have broad latitude to strike down legislation that conflicted with the religion. Clerics would be given a broad, new role in adjudicating family disputes like marriage, divorce and inheritance. Under most interpretations of Islamic law, women enjoy substantially fewer rights than men."

Here is the text of the Iraqi Constitution, which claims that it was written with help from "heavenly messages." Heaven, it seems, has led the drafters of the document to qualify every freedom and right with the proviso: "This shall be regulated by law."

As for economics: oil, education, and health are decisively nationalized.

http://blog.mises.org/blog/archives/004012.asp

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ROTFLMAO. Wow, an entire post of Straw Men... You could start your own scarecrow farm with that... You guys really need to stop distorting the truth.

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America creates murderous dictatorships. Ever hear of Augusto Pinochet or do you suffer from the collective amnesia of neocons everywhere. So the first time America does remove a murderous dictator, the end result is probably worse. More people may have died since the murderous dictator was removed than under the murderous dictator. Makes me wonder what the hell Bush was thinking. Not a good value for 3000 dead and $400 billion. So far. And all you can do is yammer about appeasers. Get your self-righteous neocon butt out of your head.

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"Created". Past tense. Or do you have a recent example of a murderous dictatorship that we installed?

And that would seem to be all the more reason why we are obligated to remove them.

If it prevented a single nuked city it was a bargain.

So, by your logic, we should have just capitulated to Hitler, since it would have resulted in fewer American deaths. Correct?

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Jake opined:

Problem is that the Reagan Admin stood in the way of sanctions for the act and the GOP lobbied against sanctions because it would not be good for business....


In the end, the Prevention of Genocide Act ran into its stiffest opposition at the White House. The Reagan administration believed that the sanctions were 'premature'. Galbraith was stunned
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/kurds/battle.html


So as you can see Jake bringing in Rummy and the Reagan Admin is quite apropo seeing as they gave tacit approval of the act by doing nothing about it...and blocking attempts to impose even economic sanctions for genocide.

Again the needs of businees were more important then standing up against genocide....hmmm sounds like Darfur doesn't it!

Your arguments become more illogical as we progress. Saddam was going to nuke us? With what?

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Amazing, isn't it? He provides a lot of entertainment if you have the patience. It would be fascinating to study if it wasn't so irritating. He seems to exist in his own fully-functioning fantasy world. Apparently he believes the Straw Men and non sequiturs he posts are actually valid.

He's by far and away the most clueless person I've encountered on any political forum. He truly believes he's intelligent and making headway with his points, yet the complete opposite is true. One would probably feel pity for him if he wasn't such an arrogant jerk.

This post:
1. Isn't about the topic of the thread
2. Illustrates irrational thought and misplaced anger
3. Borders on personal attack of another user which could lead to banning

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Gosh, yet ANOTHER hoary chesnut! The US trafficked with dictatorships because we had to deal with them in the context of the Cold War. You're really digging to the bottom of the barrel in a desperate search for a credible anti-US defamation. Here's one for you - we allied with the soviet union to defeat Hitler!!! Garsh, libs supported that! Can you imagine!


Yeah, but you have no problem with Saddam's mass exterminations? Gee, I thinlk I'll call you Mr. Consistency!

It proves the appeaser brain shorts out if a geopolitical situation gets more complicated than tic-tac-toe.

Ooooooooooooooo ..... a country that goes from a 12th century medieval culture to a democracy overnight without meeting the standards of the ACLU should be consigned to islamofascism then, huh? What did the U.S. have when it started out - slavery, no women's suffrage - goll' somebody should of nipped the US in the bud.

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