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The italian is wright.The provce of Kosovo and metohija is poor.And it will not get better.Suljoti you live in US and not in kosovo.People dont have jobs,criminal is runing the kosovo.Just luke at your home contry Albania it is the poorest country in the europe.Your people are starving.You talk about crimes in kosovo by serbes and what about those by albanians.250000 people expelled from there homes in 1 month.Sinse 19 century albanians are killing serbs in kosovo.Let me ask you somenting do you think that albanians in kosovo whant to live like in albania?Why are they burning churches and monestery why???The KLA abdukted civilans(women and children)and sold there organs to west europe cliniks.Why dont you sell evreriting you have and go to kosovo to live.What doo you think will hapen to kosovo albanians in west europe?They will be deported to kosovo.That is why France,Germany,Italy recognised Kosovo.Do you think american will give bether life to kosovo?
I dont think soo.
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The italian is wright.The provce of Kosovo and metohija is poor.And it will not get better.Suljoti you live in US and not in kosovo.People dont have jobs,criminal is runing the kosovo.Just luke at your home contry Albania it is the poorest country in the europe.Your people are starving.You talk about crimes in kosovo by serbes and what about those by albanians.250000 people expelled from there homes in 1 month.Sinse 19 century albanians are killing serbs in kosovo.Let me ask you somenting do you think that albanians in kosovo whant to live like in albania?Why are they burning churches and monestery why???The KLA abdukted civilans(women and children)and sold there organs to west europe cliniks.Why dont you sell evreriting you have and go to kosovo to live.What doo you think will hapen to kosovo albanians in west europe?They will be deported to kosovo.That is why France,Germany,Italy recognised Kosovo.Do you think american will give bether life to kosovo?
I dont think soo.
where did u got those numbers man! 250 000...u mean by the both sides maybe!
i c kosova/o independent for both albanians and serbs. tell me for how many centuries did albanians and serbs fight. since ever. and if there is something that can be build it can not be build alone but with kosovars, albanians and serbs.
kla was created after arkan and the slobo mans entered and killed and burned everything!
u kno well wut they did man , u hv seen the news!
dont try to put mud o kosovo/a albanians they hv suffered too much and the world has seen. accepting the crime is the first stepp.
at least dont bring serbiannas stuff here but some neutral source....i can hv a debate with u but not with propaganda.
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The so called Serb war crimes are all just propaganda! There is no substance to it just bogus nonsense claims!
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Ljoti why are you saying such things?What didi milosevic do?Albanians kiled serbs in 1912 then in 1913.And they did it for Austrians.Then in 1941-1945 they foth for the germenas.Do you know what are the balistas?Albanians in kosovo whanted independace in 1971,1980,1989.There wose riots in kosovo long before milosevic.Those thing are fackts.I am not saying that the serbs did not kill albanians in kosovo.tthey killed a lot of albanians.Another thing.Kosovar did not pay any electric,wather and all sort of goverment bils.That is a troo story.Why are now electric blackouts in kosovo?Becouse albanians and serbs didi not pay bils for deceades.Now they are suprised why shod they pay.By this i mean in wiliges not in mayor towns.On the strits of kosovo there is drugs,wepons,explosives.And the most important thing ilegal tobacco.Mayor rute for drugs,wepons,tobacco... is thru kosovo to west europ.And why americans whant kosovo.There is mineral mines in kosovo.You say arcan and milosevic burned everting???But kosovo liders are criminals,real criminals(drugs dealers).They are working with serbian criminals.Whit men like arcan wose.Your problem is that you wached too meny news(CNN,BBC...).I wached all sides both CNN and RTS.I know what people are like serbs from kosovo are.They are my neubors.And i dont like them.They sold there houses to albanians for extreme sums of mony.Off course there is another number of serbs that have been expeled from there houses that have been burned.People from kosovo bouth serbs and albanians are specific tipe of people.I am a serb from central serbia and we are much diferent.The basic thing is that we shud not hate ich other and not kill ourselfs for sombody elese interest.Just look at albania it is a contry that wos created by italy and austrya for there interests in south europ.And now it is poorest conry in europe.
Why dont the american give 50 bilon dolars of help for that conty if they are such good friends?You albanian do know how powerful is the albanian mafia in the world?One of the most powerful.And mafia does not care for people even there one people.
Tomorow kosovo will be like albania is today.And i am sorry for that.
Please respond id like to here what you think.
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look marko i m very glad to debate with u because we both hv many things in comon but many other opposites.
i wanna start with the 1912-1913 and the ballistas.
no albanian did anything for the austrians nor the germans, all the war was done for their own independence, because the serb rue over kosova/o was a colonial one(rankovic) and the albanians hv noth common with the slavic culture of yugoslavia.
i dont wanna keep our focus to past wars because if we keep like that we cannot resolve nthn. i m not gonna focus on milosevic either, because we know very well who was the slaughted and the sloughterer, who had the JNA and who was running throw the border to albania .better for our debate to be concentrated after 1999 because is the only way through progress.do u agree with me?
as for the government bills, kosova/o was the poorest in among yugos, nthn was beeing build, nthn, the rule was 100% colonial, only to proffit ftom the provice to kick the albanians out and to bring colons etc etc....there was no good intention for the albanians as u can see ur country men posting here with such a hate against albanians comparing us to non humans that dont deserve to live. i very well know that this are only the radicals, i visited myself belgrade years ago and i saw coaperation amoung youth to build somethink, for commonwealth.this is the future. soon both our countries will enter eu united and u will be welcome in kosovo/a and albania as i hope to be welcome in belgrade.there was once one man, i was a great fan of him zoran dindic but he was assasinated by some mobsters as the zemuni clan and now serbia has no true ruler.
RTS is not a neutral source, the neutral sources r those outside the balkans nor serb or albanian and i focus on them.
IT IS A GREAT OFFENCE COMPARING ALBANIA AS AN ARTIFITIAL CREATION, AN AUSTR-HUNGARIAN CHILD...albanians deserve to be free from the foreign rules and have their own leaders, to govern themselves.
as for the expelling of serbs from kosova/o i am very aware of it.we hv an organisation in peja/pec and mitrovica to bring all those who fled back home both albanians and serbs. u know very well that churches and mosques were burned in kosova/o in 2004.
3 days before the church in southern mitrovica was burned( the one on the videos)
i was there with a very well known serb journalist from kosova/o and and albanian one in the very church tryin a start the friendship there so the iron border on the ibar river could be broken, so both serbs aand albanians could live with no hate
than happened wut happened and a buncha kids playin counter strinke 24/7 with a great euphoria went and did wut they did.
accusing albanian leaderss as mobsters is a propaganda outcome because they r respected all over europe and serbia is the only country making this accusation.
u see my friend i accept my own crimes and mistakes and so shall u. u dont have to accuse me with articles of carl slavich who is a looser journalis that cant publicate even an article in michigan due to his great nationalistic euphoria.
kosova/o is beeing build at the very time and without the help of serbia, a democratic seria cannot go that further to europe.albania is the poores county in europe because of the comunist regime that sucked all the blood from the ppl of that country.
is the future gonna be as dark as the past marko or we r gonna build it?
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The so called Serb war crimes are all just propaganda! There is no substance to it just bogus nonsense claims!
awwwwwwwwww so cute! rly!
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Albanians didi deserved ther fredom(all people do).Albanians are wery old pople,but they did not win there fredom.Austya did create albania only to resiste serbia in the second decad of 20 century.It was after second balkan war 1913.Austrya wnted to neutralize serbia treth and stop them from creting slavic united contry later caled Kindom of SerbsCroats and Slovenians.They whore using albanians(arnauts) to fight serbs.Few thousent serb soldier died in that confilckt.You do know that it wos albanians in kosovo that foth for the Turks in first balac war 1912.And that they died for the turky and not albanian freedom.Albanians did not live in kosovo before the turks arived there in the 15 cenutry.I am saying this not go back too the past.Albanians vore not expeled from kosovo in the 1912 and later.I am saying that they wore used by foren powers.It is the same with serbia.It wos used by Austya against turky thro 16,17,18,19 centutry.And of cours by russa and britania...The basic line is albanians vore on the side of germans in ww2.But it wos the communist and tito that give the freedom after ww2 not germany and italy.Of coures the famos skenderbeg ss dividon.From 1945 albanains are coming to kosovo but serbs are living kosovo.Later during the 1980-1990 the kosovo has become the Big "Laudry machine"for mony of course.Serb politicains have took big soom of mony from serbia as so caled loun for kosovo(from budget).That is why we are in this situacin(serbs).But i still say kosovo and albanians are fighting for sombody elese interest.And kosovos problem is that most of the people are illiterate.they do not have education and they are easy to manipulate.
And i think that kosovo and albania will never enter EU.I still think that the kosovo albanians in EU will be deported to kosovo.The EU does not want Turky in the EU.The people in the kosovo need jobs that is the problem.There is nothing in the kosvo there are no factorys noting.Only crime.We are brothers becouse we are poor to.Yugoslavia was onse powerful and now there is serbia,crotia,bosnia,macedonia and we are poor and week.Poor people shud help each other not kill and that is what are we doing killing each other.Generacions of hard life made albanians and kosovo serbs what they are today.I hope only for peace.But the europe does not have future for us we are cattle for them.Yes that is truth a cattle.
And for the politicains in serbia ha ha ha.They are all the same radicals,democrats...All the same.
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Albanians didi deserved ther fredom(all people do).Albanians are wery old pople,but they did not win there fredom.
completely agree with first sentence.
as for the second one being weak in precise times of history doesnt mean u didnt fight, it means that u fought but u couldnt achieve ur goal completely.
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You do know that it wos albanians in kosovo that foth for the Turks in first balac war 1912.And that they died for the turky and not albanian freedom
albanians fought for their freedom and turks fought against the serb state.the vilayet of kosovo/a was attacked from both the serbs and bulgarians at the time, this doesnt prove that the serbs fought for the bulgarian flag.serbia was much more dangerous than turkey at the time, but albanians didnt allied the turks they fought in different fronts against the same enemy.
1912-1913 was time of the prizren congres of liberation of albania from turkey and preventing the occupation from serbia,and greece that happened later.
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Albanians vore not expeled from kosovo in the 1912 and later.I am saying that they wore used by foren powers
all balkan ppl were used from foreign power since ever, not only albanians.this is because they hated eachother greatly and the reason y now we r the poorest.
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It is the same with serbia.It wos used by Austya against turky thro 16,17,18,19 centutry.And of cours by russa and britania...
very true this happened to all balkans! i agree with u in the last 2 quotes basiclly.
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The basic line is albanians vore on the side of germans in ww2.But it wos the communist and tito that give the freedom after ww2 not germany and italy.
express urself i cannot understand 100% this one.
if they allied the axis they were free during ww2 and tito was the occupator, that was proved lately when kosovo/a tried to join albania and the massacre of tivar/bar in today montenegro.
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Serb politicains have took big soom of mony from serbia as so caled loun for kosovo(from budget)
after war it was prooved that all sums taken from yugoslav and later serb gov't were in military expenses. the only industry in kosova/o and only gov't construction was the mine of trepcha in mitrovica.
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But i still say kosovo and albanians are fighting for sombody elese interest.And kosovos problem is that most of the people are illiterate.they do not have education and they are easy to manipulate.
i desperately hv to agree with these.even now ppl r thinking as in medieval times not to coa[erate and build education, sanity etc.this stepps hv been started this month tho. i hope for a good outcome.
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And i think that kosovo and albania will never enter EU.
the region will enter as a whole, all europe.this is the eu plan.
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I still think that the kosovo albanians in EU will be deported to kosovo.
this is called ethnic cleansing and cannot happen among democratic nations.ur views on this r putting down some of ur good views.
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The EU does not want Turky in the EU
turkey is an european matter of the eu .it doesnt affect the western balkans.there r no more ties between turkey and this countrys.
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There is nothing in the kosvo there are no factorys noting.Only crime.
disagree. this is a propagandistic outcome.
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Poor people shud help each other not kill and that is what are we doing killing each other.Generacions of hard life made albanians and kosovo serbs what they are today.I hope only for peace.But the europe does not have future for us we are cattle for them.Yes that is truth a cattle.
agree with u ! if there is no coaperation in our region europe can hel us but with us not coaperating the outcome is a failure. europe has backed a lot the balkans and we should profit from that.
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And for the politicains in serbia ha ha ha.They are all the same radicals,democrats...All the same.
this is the problem the whole balkans, or the western part is facing, a real tragedy.
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awwwwwwwwww so cute! rly!
where did u find that source! can i kno?


2-part Dutch documentary exposes showtrial against Milosevic



Trnopolje "Death Camp": A Deliberate Media Lie Debunked!




All just lies, no genocide except the ethnic cleansing committed by the Muslim terrorists against the Serbs! In the end they had to cowardly poison Milosevic because they could not proof any wrongdoing on his part let alone all the nonsense genocide charges brought against him!
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The prizren league was formed by Holy Roman Empire,for the purops of stoping the recreating the serbian empire and cuting off turky.Turkish empire was dieing at the second half of 19 centuty and its teritory was in the way of Austro-hungar empire wich is tugether with germany and vatican the Holi Roman Empire.Becouse the serbian country was moustly pro russan,austria had to secure it self from serbia and like i sayd before from creation of Slavic Empire(wich did hapen after ww1)Austria culd not lose adriatic coust.And Great Albania culd serv the purpos becouse like i sayd turky empire was over.That is why the prizren ligue was formed.Second moust of albania and parts of kosovo is mountin(high)region.Wich means that people whore(and steel are)living in mountin viliges,they are cut off the rest of world.They are iliterete they can not paricipate in global politic at the time.Then you sad that alabnians chuse to help turky and aly with them against serbia.The Albanians whore drafted to the turkish army,do you think that averige albanian will live his wilige and family to fight war for turky?Turky was at the time(1912)the only country in europ that was feudal.The last in europ.No most of albanians whore drafted.Like they whore drafted in to fight serbs in first serbian uprisnig 1804-1813.Yes albanians foth for turks in probably all turky wars.The serbs did it for austria specialy in mid 17 cenuty.They expeld the turks from serbia,but the austia later made peace with turks and forgoth the serbs.Serbs whore foresd to leave kosovo in first serbian migration 1690.They fled to south hungary.Also at the time of forming the prizren league the most albanians whore devided in to tribes.there is prof for this what i am saying.I am not saying that serbia did not whant albania in 1912,they didi.But the autrria had stoped montenegro and serbia from spliting the albania.They put troops along the danube river neare belgrade.And they wuld atake if we did not pul out of albania.So that is why i sad the albanians whore used by foren powers.If the albanians wanted freedom in that time why did they not fight the turks?Mayority of albanians whore and still are wery poor and all they tought whose how to survive.Not political freedom.Later after the ww1 austia-hungar empire died.But after the ww1 the italy wanted the croatian,montenigran and alabanain coust.So yugoslavia stud in ther way.They saw the albanian as a wepon against yugoslavia.Italy put troops in albanian and later inww2 ataked yugoslavia in 1941.You can say that albanians whore not on axsis side.They whore the italy pupet state.The america is planing the same thing for kosovo now.I hope that life will get bether in kosovo but i douth it.Eu does not whant albanians in EU,if they didi why is albania still not in EU?There is lot of kosovo albanians in Eu.They asked for political asylum and now they can be deported to the kosovo.
You say that west europ countrys are democratic.What does that mean.Did England councord half of the world and killed milons.Does englad have troops in iraq and afganiatan?Didi they suport the aperhed in south africa.What about west africa.And what is it with frace,did they ocuppay the north africa.in second half of 20 century.And then vietnam.Then Germany ofcourse.I wont even talk abouth them.Did albanian refugies whanted to land from ships in south italy in albanian civil war.And what hapend?Didi they land(women and children)?I dont think so.The italians trethen to destroy the ships.What makes you think that they are civilised.When they killed the entire nations throughout history.I anderstand you.You are albanian and all alabanians whant big country(greath albania).But this will not end in kosvo,albanians wonth part of south serbia,macedonia,montenegro and grece.And that is not wright.
It is impotant that we talk abouth thing so that we can overcom the misunderstanding.
Please let us debate on this.We must understand each other.
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