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Old 04-14-2008, 10:45 AM
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This says a lot about Serbia and its people!

That sentence says a lot, what kind a person you are.
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That sentence says a lot, what kind a person you are.
If you had experienced and lived through the war in Kosova, you would be saying something else!

The fact that Serbian authorities knew what was going on, yet nothing was done to prevent it makes my blood boil. Over 20 000 women were raped during the war in Kosova. Those women are like walking-dead.

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The situation in Kosovo is especially dire for women. One of the most cruel, yet powerful weapons the Serbs used to "ethnically cleanse" was rape. The numbers are staggering. No fewer than 20,000 women were raped before NATO intervened. And the damage done is not only physical, but lingering psychological trauma that increases because the women often can't speak of what happened to them.
http://www.womenforwomen.org/kosovo.htm
http://www.unfpa.org/women/bucharest/day2.htm


Rape victims' babies pay the price of war

Up to 20,000 women were raped during the Kosovan carnage. Now the victims are bearing children fathered by their Serb tormentors.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/apr/16/balkans
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If you had experienced and lived through the war in Kosova, you would be saying something else!

The fact that Serbian authorities knew what was going on, yet nothing was done to prevent it makes my blood boil. Over 20 000 women were raped during the war in Kosova. Those women are like walking-dead.


http://www.womenforwomen.org/kosovo.htm
http://www.unfpa.org/women/bucharest/day2.htm


Rape victims' babies pay the price of war

Up to 20,000 women were raped during the Kosovan carnage. Now the victims are bearing children fathered by their Serb tormentors.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/apr/16/balkans
20000 woman raped? That much? How can that bee, when the all Albanians were expelled from kosovo Wright?
You can tell that crap to somebody else.
When you say "This says a lot about Serbia and its people!"it shows that you are fascistic pig!!It would be the same if i said that all Albanians are nomadic savages that are barbarians that live like goats high in mountains. That they rape women and killed children, burn churches...

But i dont think like that about anybody. I dont generise all the people. I am serb and i dont hate any albanians,even if my people is sufering in kosovo from albanians.I dont hate you.But you hate me only becouse i am serb.

Yes there were raped woman in kosovo, and yes the were raped by serbs.But the man that can rape Albanian women also can rape serbian woman(in peace time).Those people are BAD, discussing, repulsive, degenerate and sick people. Every man that can kill a person in could blood is sick. But you cant say that Serbians or any people in world are bad.

If you say such things then you actually don care about victims. You are the same as those rapist, killers, tiffs...Thinking and hate like that make you potential killer!!!!
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You just did say it, and I know very well what the majority of the Serbs think of Albanians. Serbia and its people have even demonstrated it through out history, the war In 98-99 just being the tip of the ice berg.

Milosevic wouldn't have come to power if it wasn't for the people that voted for him. NOR would he have been able to what he did if his people hadn't supported him.


You don't get it do you??? Rape was used as a form of weapon by the Serbs during the war. Serb authorities knew about it, yet they didn't give a rats tail about it.

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Rape and Sexual Assault

Rape and other forms of sexual violence were used in Kosovo in 1999 as weapons of war and instruments of systematic "ethnic cleansing."53 Rapes were not rare and isolated acts committed by individual Serbian or Yugoslav forces, but rather were used deliberately as an instrument to terrorize the civilian population, extort money from families, and push people to flee their homes. Rape also furthered the goal of forcing ethnic Albanians from Kosovo.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/kosovo/undword-03.htm


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In general, rapes in Kosovo can be grouped into three categories: rapes in women's homes, rapes during flight, and rapes in detention. In the first category, security forces entered private homes and raped women in front of family members, in the yard or in an adjoining room. In the second category, internally displaced people wandering on foot and riding on tractors were repeatedly stopped, robbed, and threatened by the Yugoslav Army, Serbian police, or paramilitaries. If families could not produce cash, security forces sometimes threatened that their daughters would be taken away and raped; in some cases, even when families did provide money, their daughters were taken away. The third category of rapes took place in temporary detention centers, such as abandoned homes or barns.
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If you say such things then you actually don care about victims. You are the same as those rapist, killers, tiffs...Thinking and hate like that make you potential killer!!!!
You said you don't generalise, yet that's exactly what you're doing. You don't know me,you know anything about my life, nor what I have been through!
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You said you don't generalise, yet that's exactly what you're doing. You don't know me,you know anything about my life, nor what I have been through!
If you have suffered, then hate will make you suffer much more. Let go the hate you have. I don’t know what you have been trough. I have wife and doter and i cant imagine what...

Second the only thing you do is provoke on this forum. and not only you but all the Albanians on this forum.
Do you think that Serbian women have not been raped?

do you think that the Serbian soldier have resaved orders to rape women? Those soldiers were from 18-21 years old.

And on the counter, your people have shown trough the history how they fell about Serbs. From 1804-1876-1912-1915-1945-1989-1995-1998-98-04..
If the Serbian people wanted Albanian blood, than there would be no Albanians today. We had the means in 1919-1945-1990.We had the power and political untied hands to do so. But we did not.

I did not support Milosevic, neder did my family. And yes majority of Serbs "hate" albanians.But i will ask you,how many Albanians hate serbs?
Please understand that you have no reason to hate me.
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Rape also furthered the goal of forcing ethnic Albanians from Kosovo.
Really? Then how come now there are more Albanians than ever in Kosovo and less Serbs than ever? Who was forced out? Who was expelled from his home? You tell me.
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If you have suffered, then hate will make you suffer much more. Let go the hate you have. I don’t know what you have been trough. I have wife and doter and i cant imagine what...

Second the only thing you do is provoke on this forum. and not only you but all the Albanians on this forum.
Do you think that Serbian women have not been raped?

do you think that the Serbian soldier have resaved orders to rape women? Those soldiers were from 18-21 years old.

And on the counter, your people have shown trough the history how they fell about Serbs. From 1804-1876-1912-1915-1945-1989-1995-1998-98-04..
If the Serbian people wanted Albanian blood, than there would be no Albanians today. We had the means in 1919-1945-1990.We had the power and political untied hands to do so. But we did not.

I did not support Milosevic, neder did my family. And yes majority of Serbs "hate" albanians.But i will ask you,how many Albanians hate serbs?
Please understand that you have no reason to hate me.


Re-read my posts.

1. Rape was used as a for of weapon by the Serbs to ethnic cleans. Not only in Kosova, but also in Bosnia.
2. The Serb authorities knew about it, yet nothing was done to stop it.

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The Serbian and Yugoslav authorities knew that their paramilitaries had used rape and other forms of sexual violence in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Yet, the paramilitaries were deployed to or allowed to operate in Kosovo by the Serbian and Yugoslav authorities apparently without any precautions being taken to prevent their committing further such war crimes.
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The participation of Serbian and Yugoslav forces in gang rapes renders it unlikely that senior officers were unaware of the assaults. Rapes occurred frequently in the presence, and with the acquiescence, of military officers. Several rape victims actually reported the crimes to Yugoslav military officers. Yet there is no evidence that the Yugoslav Army or the Serbian Ministry of Internal Affairs made any attempt to apprehend or punish those responsible for the attacks. Despite this seeming dereliction of duty, many leading police and military officers from the Kosovo campaign have been honored or promoted within the Serbian and Yugoslav forces since the end of the conflict.

There is also no evidence that the Yugoslav Army or Serbian Ministry of Internal Affairs took any measures to prevent rape and other forms of sexual violence, such as issuing orders or warning troops that they would be punished for these crimes, although there were some cases where soldiers or police tried to protect women from paramilitaries. Moreover, soldiers, police, and paramilitaries often raped their victims in front of many witnesses. In addition to actual rapes that took place in front of others, the process of pulling women out of refugee convoys often occurred in full view of other internally displaced persons.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/kosovo/undword-03.htm



As far as the hate and animosity the Albanians feel for Serbia, it doesn't take a genius to figureout why. The hate of the oppressed is differnt.
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Really? Then how come now there are more Albanians than ever in Kosovo and less Serbs than ever? Who was forced out? Who was expelled from his home? You tell me.
The Serbs in Krajina were the ones whom were expelled out of their homes. The Serbs leaving Kosova were no victims of a new ethnic cleansing. When the Serb forces were leaving, many of the Serb Kosovars left with them. They were the same people who agreed with Milosevic's war, some whom even participated in the war.



The Albanian refugees whom had been forced out of their homes were able to return back after the Serb forces had left. Then you have those Albanian Kosovars whom lived abroad, but were not given residence permit, so they were turned back to Kosova. Not to mention that people have babies. The population grows.


Now you can live in denial all you want, and believe that Serbia did nothing wrong. But everything points to the contrary. This was an organized expulsion by the Chauvinistic regime of Serbia, supported by the majority of the Serbs.


The sooner you and your compatriots do what this lady, Sanja Blagojevic tells you to do right here;
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,...105900,00.html
the better it will be for everyone in our region

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Now, with victory in the bag, Tadic could finally begin to talk about things that have long been avoided.



He needs to tell Serbians the truth, no matter how uncomfortable it is. Truth No. 1: Kosovo will become independent, there's no way around it. Truth No. 2: Serbs have conducted ethnic cleansings in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo during the 1990s. They did so, because they wanted a Greater Serbia and not because they wanted to protect innocent Serbs living in these places. This has to have consequences. The past has to be examined. War criminals have to be extradicted.
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Re-read my posts.

1. Rape was used as a for of weapon by the Serbs to ethnic cleans. Not only in Kosova, but also in Bosnia.
2. The Serb authorities knew about it, yet nothing was done to stop it.

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http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/kosovo/undword-03.htm



As far as the hate and animosity the Albanians feel for Serbia, it doesn't take a genius to figureout why. The hate of the oppressed is differnt.

1.I am sorry, but that is wary stupid thinking. It means that there was order from the politician and military top for raping. But that can not be done. That order can not be given. It takes only few soldiers to rape a lot of women. But you are Wright they should have been stopped and punished. But that was on the ground, during the war. So actually nobody cared about that. It was in the hands of the commandants on the ground.
But also the Muslims raped and killed woman and children , especially in williges around Srebrenica during 1992-1995.

About the hate. There is no justification for hate. As much as i know there are around 600 Albanian civilians in mass graves in Serbia, and smaller number in kosovo. But there are 2500 missing Serbs from kosovo sice98-99.And the serbs were expelled from kosovo.there houses were destroyed. and there were 72 churches burned from jul to october in kosovo 99.And there were also a number of serbs that did the killing and steeling in kosovo that retrited with Serbian army.
Albanians did much more harm to the serbs.So the serbs have more reason to hate albanians.But they don hate them much,as albanians do the serbs.
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