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Old 04-05-2008, 09:49 AM
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First you say that there was no organized expulsion. Then you change it to "maybe", cause there are no "evidence". But reality has its own language, everything points to an organized expulsion.


The expulsion of the ethnic Albanians was going on before NATO decided to bomb. That's why Nato intervened, to stop the ethnic cleansing, mass murder and rapes. They already made a mistake during the Bosnian war, and same mistake was not going to be made again in Kosova.
I said maybe there was a plan. But the plan and the execution are deferent things. And there was no mass fleeing of Albanians before the bombing. Maybe few days before but in smaller numbers. The Albanians were fleeing from kosovo because the bombing, pressure of KLA and unfortunately by Serb paramilitary. But not at that rate. Serb army could not move during the war like i said.But the Serb forces did nothing to stop those albanias from leaving kosovo.To say that serbs were gong to "clean" kosovo,with previous experience and NATO pressure on FRY is nonsense. Do you think we are stupid? When the strongest aliens in the world is waiting for a reason to crush you what do you do? When you are alone in the world,with no allies culd understand if somebody says those things for croatia or bosnia but for kosovo?

The Yugoslavia could have "cleaned" kosovo before 1991.When no body could do anything about it.We could have don it in 1989 or 1990.We head all the means for it.We hade much bigger army for it.So it comes to conclusion that there was no ethical cleaning in kosovo(albanians).Like I said truth is not black or white but grey.

But you did not say about the africa.Why dont they do something about it there.When they are such pacifist.
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Old 04-05-2008, 10:24 AM
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" Clean Kosovo in 1991 "? Serbia was too busy with Slovenia, Croatia, and later with Bosnia.
When it comes to Kosova, Milosevic and his CO, thought they could get away with it. But little did they know, that was not going to be the case.
And please, don't blame NATO, or the US, or the rest of the world for that matter, for the position Serbia is in today.

The way you make your bed, the way you have to sleep in it. The Serbian people chose to back Milosevic, so now they have to face the consequences. You are no "victims" here.




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The Yugoslav Army, Serbian police, and paramilitaries were all responsible for war crimes in Kosovo.



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//...paramilitary forces were not operating on their own. On the contrary, paramilitary units were operating in close concert with the police, army, and secret police (known as the state security sevice).
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/kosovo/undword-02.htm

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The report further compared the expulsion times and patterns to the NATO bombing and found that "only a small fraction of Kosovo Albanians fled Kosovo as a direct result of NATO bombing raids."

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/kosovo/undword-03.htm

By observing both the timing and pattern of refugee arrivals, researchers were able to draw a conclusion.

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The pattern of departure of many of the refugees also strongly points to organized expulsion rather than spontaneous departure.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/kosovo/undword-03.htm
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" Clean Kosovo in 1991 "? Serbia was too busy with Slovenia, Croatia, and later with Bosnia.
When it comes to Kosova, Milosevic and his CO, thought they could get away with it. But little did they know, that was not going to be the case.
And please, don't blame NATO, or the US, or the rest of the world for that matter, for the position Serbia is in today.

The way you make your bed, the way you have to sleep in it. The Serbian people chose to back Milosevic, so now they have to face the consequences. You are no "victims" here.











http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/kosovo/undword-02.htm




http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/kosovo/undword-03.htm

By observing both the timing and pattern of refugee arrivals, researchers were able to draw a conclusion.



http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/kosovo/undword-03.htm
Remember how your previous allies(turkey, Austria, Italy ,Germany, Ussr) helped you. So your new allies will do the same.

And yes Milosevic did think he van get away with it.He was a stupid man. He taught he could defeat the whole world.
Common do you expect anybody to believe you.
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" Common do you expect anybody to believe you. "

Can you elaborate that? What exactly do you mean by it?


Where do you think Milosevic got his ideas? Of course, he bears the greatest blame, but the Orthodox Church, The Academy of Science and Arts, and the intellectuals of Serbia are to blame as well.

A "stupid" man wouldn't have been able to do this without someone else's help ; "Each one of these four factors (the timing of arrivals, the means of departure, the use of terror and the practice of "identity cleansing") strongly suggest that the flight of some 860,000 Albanians from Kosovo in twelve weeks adds up to systematic forced expulsion.


http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/kosovo/undword-03.htm

Molosevic and his CO knew what they were doing, they had slot of experiences from the Croatian and Bosnian war, where over 200. 000 people were killed, and 2 million people were forced out of their homes.

"The Serbian and Yugoslav authorities knew that their paramilitaries had used rape and other forms of sexual violence in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Yet, the paramilitaries were deployed to or allowed to operate in Kosovo by the Serbian and Yugoslav authorities apparently without any precautions being taken to prevent their committing further such war crimes. "
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/kosovo/undword-03.htm

Same people whom had committed atrocities in the Bosnian war, were doing the exact same thing in Kosova. And the Serbian authorities knew about it, yet nothing was done. Which tells a lot about Serbia.


Now you can deny it all you want, but the truth has been recorded and documented.

This was done willfully by the Serbs as a National act, institutionalized and implemented by the Serbian leaders.

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That's all lies and propaganda.

There more than 2 million Albanians now in Kosovo, more than ever!
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That's all lies and propaganda.
According to whom? You? Sorry mate, I leave that to you. It's Serbia's specialty ( apart from butchering civilians that is ).


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There more than 2 million Albanians now in Kosovo, more than ever!
With that kind of logic, the holocaust never took place, right!?
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With that kind of logic, the holocaust never took place, right!?
Good to mention the holocoust... Your countrymen helped Hitler a great deal with "the final solution"...

So we know ya very well. That's why you don't have credibility.
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Albanians from Kosovo ethnically cleansed more than 250,000 non-Albanians: Serbs, Jews, Gypsies and others; desecrated more than 150 Christian churches and monasteries and killed thousands in cold blood.
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Good to mention the holocoust... Your countrymen helped Hitler a great deal with "the final solution"...

So we know ya very well. That's why you don't have credibility.
oh really....We rescued 100% of Jews...


Serbia killed 99% of Jews..Check out the Holocaust Memorial Archives in Washington DC.


Albanians are worldwide recognized as unique Rightous Gentiles. 100 PERECENT OF JEWS WERE RESCUED. READ THE BOOKS...


We provided them clothes, housing, fake birth certificates, gave them our national folk clothes. Risked our children and our own lives to keep our honor, BESA, our ancient code "My house is God's house. As you enter, you belong in it. You are inseparable part of it. You will be defended as the member of the house, regardless of your ethnicity, gender, religion, race"...


Honor and respect!


now, go away....you are irrelevant on his case!

You have been nurtured how to hate, how it's okay to murder non-serbs because they hate serbia...that's the rhetoric you grew up listening. I was reading the other day that 79% of serbs have not traveled out of serbia.....remember things dont move around serbia...but the other way around....

you need to travel to europe..open up....that's why..stuck up on chauvinism....
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Good to mention the holocoust... Your countrymen helped Hitler a great deal with "the final solution"...

So we know ya very well. That's why you don't have credibility.
In her book, Escape Through the Balkans: the Autobiography of Irene Grunbaum (University of Nebraska Press, 1996), translated and edited by Katherine Morris, Irene Grunbaum describes, in the extensive section on Albania, her parting thoughts as a Jew after having been protected and sheltered by Albanian Muslims and Christians during Nazi German WWII occupation of Albania:
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"Farewell, Albania, I thought. You have given me so much hospitality, refuge, friends, and adventure. Farewell, Albania. One day I will tell the world how brave, fearless, strong, and faithful your sons are; how death and the devil can't frighten them. If necessary, I'll tell how they protected a refugee and wouldn't allow her to be harmed even if it meant losing their lives. The gates of your small country remained open, Albania. Your authorities closed their eyes, when necessary, to give poor, persecuted people another chance to survive the most horrible of all wars. Albania, we survived the seige because of your humanity. We thank you.
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I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE WAS ONLY ONE COUNTRY IN EUROPE THAT IN THE END OF WAR WORLD 2 THERE WERE MORE JEWISH PEOPLE THAN IN THE BEGINING OF WW2 AND THAT WAS ALBANIA!!!
...BECAUSE WE KNEW WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO BE OPPRESSED...
AND WE WILL NOT FORGET JUST AS YOU HELPED US IN OUR TIME OF NEED, WE ARE HERE TO HELP YOU IN YOUR TIME OF NEED AND THE TWO COMMUNITIES WILL STAND SHOULDER TO SHOULDER TOGETHER, THANK YOU, THANK YOU ,AND 'RROFT KOSOVA'!
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Albanians? Rescued Jews? Come one, give me a break...

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21st SS Division Skanderbeg was a Waffen SS Mountain division set up by Heinrich Himmler in March 1944, officially under the title of the 21st Waffen-Gebirgs Division der SS Skanderbeg (Albanische Nr. 1). It was named after George Kastrioti Skanderbeg, the national hero of Albanians who resisted Ottoman invasion for 25 years, and united Albanian princes under one national banner. The division was set up mostly from 4,000 prisoners of Albanian nationality. After the wars end, the division was accused of having committed thousands of war crimes, mostly against Serbs in Montenegro and Kosovo.
The names of 11,398 recruits were submitted to Berlin. Of these, 9,275 were deemed suitable for drafting, and 6,491 were actually drafted into the Waffen SS. The final division was formed up by the aforementioned recruits, another three hundred ethnic Albanians transferred from the 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar and German and Austrian officers, NCOs and enlisted men. The final total strength of the division was 8,500 to 9,000 men, consisting of two infantry regiments, an artillery regiment, a reconnaissance battalion, a mountain combat engineer battalion, a signals battalion and an anti-tank battalion.

Alleged war crimes

Many of the allegations against the division must be looked upon with some measure of uncertainty, due to the ongoing ethnic hatred in the former Yugoslavian Balkan nations. However, there is evidence that many war crimes did in fact take place, and that those were committed by this division.

In particular, were the events that took place on July 28th, 1944, in the village of Velika, in Montenegro. The division was assisting the 7th Prinz Eugen Division during Operation Draufgegner. On that day, the Skanderbeg Division was alleged by witnesses to have murdered 428 Serbian civilians, 120 of which were children, in addition to burning some 300 houses. Many of those killed, many of which were young girls, were thrown into fires to burn alive. The division was also accused of having apprehended some 519 Kosovo Jews in Pristina, to be exterminated.

This division, together with the 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian) was a Muslim division of the Waffen-SS set up in cooperation with the Muslim equivalent of the pope Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, mufti of Jerusalem. They ethnically cleansed Kosovo of Jews and Christians.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Wa...(1st_Albanian)
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