Here is your quote from the Old Testament with a couple of extra verses before it to give context. This is a case where Amalek had attacked the Israelites on their way out of Egypt. They had targeted the old and sick. Here they meet again on a battlefield where Israel is commanded to eliminate this ONE tribe.

Exodus - 17:13
"Exd 17:8 ¶ Then came Amalek, and fought with Israel in Rephidim.
Exd 17:9 And Moses said unto Joshua, Choose us out men, and go out, fight with Amalek: to morrow I will stand on the top of the hill with the rod of God in mine hand.
Exd 17:10 So Joshua did as Moses had said to him, and fought with Amalek: and Moses, Aaron, and Hur went up to the top of the hill.
Exd 17:11 And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed.
Exd 17:12 But Moses' hands [were] heavy; and they took a stone, and put [it] under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun.
Exd 17:13 And Joshua discomfited Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword.
Exd 17:14 ¶ And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this [for] a memorial in a book, and rehearse [it] in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.

Now look at what the Qoran says ...
Quranic verses that dictate beheading Kaffirs (that's infidels to you n me):
http://www.ropma.net/killing_by_behe...is_islamic.htm

5:33-“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution (by beheading), or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;”

8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.”

9:123: “Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.”

2:191- “Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out.”

5: 45-- “We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear. Tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.”

2:193- “Fight them on until there is no more tumult and religion becomes that of Allah”

9:29- "Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day... and fight People of the Book, (Christian and Jews) who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute (Zizziya tax) by hand, being inferior.”


How can you even compare the two ?!!! I understand that there are very nice Muslems who do not follow these verses, and that would be most Muslems. However, it is not hard to see why Islam today is implemented. All religions are NOT the same. Islam is this violent because nothing is created in a vacuum and Muhamed was a caravan robber turned warlord. His religion was forced upon Arabia by the sword. He slaughtered all 3 Jewish tribes of Arabia and plenty of others. He was a man of the sword who preached his own beliefs in the name of God. So I think that you are quite naive when saying that you can cherrypick any religion. Although this is true to some degree, it is clear that Islam is more prone to acts of violence towards all that do not follow the teaching of Muhamed .. and that is exactly the reputation it has earned.

i will be a liar and a zionist if i deny the verses to be false.
yes these are true verses from the quran but there is something thats needs to be understood very clearly.many of these verses were revealed when the war between muslims and the polythesists of mecca ws going on and there ALLAH says to fight the people as they broke the treaty with the prophet and killed muslims
look at this

see this chapter this was revealed when the treaty was broken see verse 5-oh u wiill see the muslims are killers but then see verse 6
hope u get the point-fight if they fight u but if they stop u too stop

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gooz thanks a lot for your unbiased views it is highly appreciated

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Wow political ...
"i will be a liar and a zionist if i deny the verses to be false"

You are a liar and yet you are not a Zionist. Hmmm. How do you figure ?! Let me clue you in. You have to lie to defend your schitzofrenic religion of violence. But that's OK because Muhamed said it's OK for Muslems to lie. True or false ?!

Your ost is lovely. But It can not possibly explain all these lines related to just beheading !!!! After all, these suras are from all over the Qoran. And it sounds like even the explanation you give relies on the non-believer willing to accept Muhamed's teachings. And one more thing ... you claim that this is because these people broke a treaty with Muhamed so you can kill them. Isn't that exactly what Muhamed did ?! Didn't Muhamed break a treaty and so Muslems are allowed to lie for the good of Islam ?! Think hard before you answer because i can prove it. There is also this ...

"The biggest scam in Islam, especially Shi'a Islam is perhaps the notion of "Taqqiyeh", an immoral tactic to lie for a good cause and later retract your words, (The belief that the end justifies the means). Islam is all about schemes, war and violence."
And the article continues ...
"Prophet Mohammed was an extremely violent man, a man of war. Historically, Jesus set the example for love, as did Moses. The opposite is true of Prophet Muhammad. That is why we see so many suicide bombers in our era. They simply are following what the prophet of Islam had planned for them. Islam rewards those who become martyrs with 72 virgins. So, sex is what the Arab Muslim murderers die for. It is all about sex. This must tell us a lot about the prophet's own appetite for sex. He did not spare anyone; even 9 year old girls were not immune to his sexual wrath. Worshiping a sex-maniac and a child molester? I think NOT.

Muslims are true victims of Islam. However, they fail to realize that Islam is a cult, and the prophet was a demon, possessed by a huge sexual appetite. Yes, true Muslims firmly believe, that those who die in the act of killing the infidels (Christians, Jews and other non-believers) will not only gain entrance into heaven, but will be greeted by 72 virgin women - most likely, seventy-two 9 year old girls.

Being politically correct has backfired and the world seems to be taken hostage by the Islamic fanatics. The more politicians give in and declare Islam as a peaceful religion, the more they give the Muslim fanatics impetus to harass and intimidate people of the host countries where they have been given shelter to live."

( http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publ...le_14898.shtml )
THIS IS WRITTEN BY A PERSIAN !!!! This is the INSIDE SCOOP !!! Fact is that Muslems lie and it's perceived as perfectly acceptable. How do you ever expect anyone to believe a word out of your mouth ?! Lord knows I've seen you out n out lie and propagandize on this sight an almost infinite times. So defend your cult all you want, but it's a sick twisted belief of a people that think they are so superior that the world should bow before them. I am no Trekky, but even I know the Borg when I see it.

you and your long posts.how many times i must tell u that i am not a shia but a sunni so i cannot speak for their beliefs though many of their beliefs i condem it and u r a hypocrite zionist u insult my religion again and again because u r a frustrated man

the zionist jew did it he-the zionist jew is responsibl for all the evil in this world-the zionist jew hates prophet Jesus and Muhammad(peace be upon them both)-the zioonist jew says he is choosen man of god and we are all shi-t- the zionist jew is evil and evil indeed is his planning and mind

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Welcome to the forum Sunspear. Hope the honest debate regarding your religion, and others', is not going to offend you. If you can deal with that, then you'll be just fine on this forum.

This is what MUSLIMS really are!


KOSOVO is just an exemple.
They do that all over the WORLD where they can!

This is what ISLAM SAIS:

Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Qur'an:8:67 "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land."
Qur'an 8:12 "Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: 'I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes."

And the ALBANIANS did exactly what that to the non-muslim Orthodox SERBS from KOSOVO!

You Muslim Terrorists!You will burn in HELL for what you did!
The One and ONLY GOD :The Holly Trinity :The FATHER, The SON, and The HOLLY SPIRIT Will punish you for spreading your false belief in the false god Allah and for killing so many inocent people in his name!!!
Wait until you die and then you will see and feel GOD's wrath!

You MUSLIM ALABNIANS will burn in HELL for what you did with GOD'S Churches and with the Orthodox true warshiors from KOSOVO!


FILM of ANIMAL MUSLIMS Burning an Christian Church in KOSOVO. You can see how they tear apart the Crosses from the Church’s roof while seting it on FIRE, and the albanian mob also composed of wemen and children applauds and rejoises.INCREDIBLE!!! SHOCKING!!!


This is the true life of serbs living in Kosovo:
Among other atrocities you will see a CHURCH from PRISTINA(the so-caled Kosovo’s capital) turned into a PUBLIC TOILET by the albanians(the last and the before last picture)
TERROR IN KOSOVO-METOHIJA
http://www.mfa.gov.yu/Policy/CI/kosovo-slike/index.html

Picture Slide of other Serbian CHURCHES DISTROYED by Muslim Albans using EXPLOSIVES and canons...
Crucified Kosovo/ Shame In The Face Of Christian Europe

A...By the way...
The Albanians are MUSLIMS so these hundreads and hundreads of years old ORTODOX Monasteries can't be theirs...
And neither the land they are built on!
Serbian Ortodox Monasteries in Kosovo:
For exemple, the " DECANI Monastery " built in 1327. You can search it on Google...
And Many, Many other Monasteries.You can see some of them in the youtube link I have sent you.

If we don't react soon, all of them will be DISTROYED by the MUSLIM Albans just like the Orthodox Church in the first movie!

Over 150 Christian Churches have been destroyed in Kosovo since 1999 by Muslim Albanians. Serbs now live in enclaves behind wires to protect them from Radicalized Muslim Albanians....


You Muslim Terrorists!You will burn in HELL for what you did!
The One and ONLY GOD :The Holly Trinity :The FATHER, The SON, and The HOLLY SPIRIT Will punish you for spreading your false belief in the false god Allah and for killing so many inocent people in his name!!!
Wait until you die and then you will see and feel GOD's wrath!

You MUSLIM ALABNIANS will burn in HELL for what you did with GOD'S Churches and with the Orthodox true warshiors from KOSOVO!

What did muslims do in Rowanda? I thought that was just between the Hoto's and the Tutsi's?

Are you calling the dark ages a evil act commited by Europeans?