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Old 05-07-2008, 12:58 AM
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The Liberal does not want success in Iraq.

Any news which encourages defeat of the U.S. troops in Iraq is welcomed by their ilk.


I consider myself Liberal....And I most definitely want us to succeed in Iraq.

No I dont support the war, I never have. However I served over there and because I didnt agree I decided not to re-enlist.

However regardless of how I feel about our decision to go there, I most definitely want what we are doing to succeed. I dont like Bush, but I would love it if the guy were made out to look like a friggin genius in the end.

I would rather my country succeed and for Iraq to be a free and peaceful nation than to be proven right. I would rather take a hit to my ego and be proven wrong.

As far as actual wars go our troops have been PHENOMENAL over there. This war has gone on far too long, however that is the politicians faults. However in terms of military proficiency and what we have been able to do, our military has done a fantastic job. We struggled for a short while trying to learn how to counter the insurgency and their cowardly tactics, but once we adapted and improvised and gained experience they have been on the run ever since then.

From a political stand point, McCain DOES deserve credit because the surge idea was in large part his and he was right a LONG time ago.

But dont just assume that everyone who is Liberal is rooting for us to fail. Sure there are some liberals out there who are so far to the left that they are insane, and they are rooting for us to fail, just because they are bitter about Bush winning in 2000 and 2004. However im pretty dang far to the left on social issues and the LAST thing I want is for us to fail. I want us to succeed as quickly as possible and for our HEROES over there to get home safely so they can be with their families.

There is a difference between not agreeing with our policy and rooting for us to fail. Try not to confuse the two.
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We planned for the invasion like 90 days before we went in. That is pathetic.

We should've gone in guns ablazing in true American fashion and put like 500,000 to a million troops on the ground. There would be no insurgency now. We would have enough troops to guard all the borders and hold the cities down. OUr iron grip would allow the Iraqi government to build up and rebuild their army.

If we would have done this we would've scaled down troops to below levels now and the Iraqi's would have a functioning government and military. The Neocons don't know (*)(*)(*)(*) about war......
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The Yanks will be witnessing a new Vietnam in Iraq... But the true hell for them is about to begin once they dare invade Iran.
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The Yanks will be witnessing a new Vietnam in Iraq... But the true hell for them is about to begin once they dare invade Iran.
lol..........
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Perhaps they need to adopt a more aggressive approach. Stamp alot of them out once and for all..
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Insurgents devising...lol? Well I guess if you include Iran as part of the insurgency then they devised them....also would explain why the insurgency has got legs.

Fact is that half the insurgency is quelled and fighting AQI with us and now the other half is going learn the lessons the Sunnis did.The 'insurgents' dont really fight as you know.They bury bombs in the road and hide in the weeds.When they actually stand up with small arms or attempt an attack they are summarily disposed of.

If you know any soldier/Marine who is serving currently and has experience with MRAP they most likely will tell you its an amazing piece of machinery.Iran has got the expertise and the capital to take the next step,in turn the US will make the MRAPs better.Unfortunately its takes real world experience to determine the threshholds of resistance in something like this.Its certainly better than anything they ever had.
I knew that was coming! Shape charging can achieve the same result and is a common practice of demolition specialist.
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WASHINGTON — The deaths of two U.S. soldiers in western Baghdad last week have sparked concerns that Iraqi insurgents have developed a new weapon capable of striking what the U.S. military considers its most explosive-resistant vehicle.

LOL 2 dead soldiers was the first 20 seconds of the Normandy landing. Give me a freaking break, the insurgency is dying, their only hope is a Democrat winning the oval office.
LOL Huh! How can anyone make a statement that minimizes any American deaths? The insurgency, Al Qaeda in Iraq, the Democrats; which one of these is dying? A Perceived oppressed people will always stand to defend them selves , Whether its the Iraq people against the Radicals within their country or The Iraq people against a foreign force that is occupying their country! (See Israel and the Palestinians) Can you say "Forever"!
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I don't understand how these guys invent and innovate things againt the most powerful army in the world or former most powerful........?
Because we are the good guys. So we have to pull punches. They dont.
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What invasion? We will bomb them from the air. How would they stop us?
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I knew that was coming! Shape charging can achieve the same result and is a common practice of demolition specialist.

Just like the guys who blew the World trades,right?

Im sure its really easy to McGyver an EFP out of a couple of copper pans and some TNT that can inflict massive damage on an MRAP.

The article is speaking about the exact style of IED that now are being found routinely in the shiite areas now being (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)d,complete with 2008 production dates and Iranian markings.Just a coincidence Im sure.
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