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[ABoyNamedSue]

Thought you were leaving? Quit giving St. Louis a bad rep.

[Herkdriver]

Originally Posted by ABoyNamedSue

Thought you were leaving? Quit giving St. Louis a bad rep.

Yes no personal insult here I'm sure.

The Mods are a joke.

No Leadership

[stekim]

Proves my point.

The moderators tolerate overt racism but correct the petty stuff.

It isn't Billy Bob that is the problem. He's one person.

It's the Moderators condonement and what I believe to be, support of the overt racism to be the issue here.

I wonder why that is, Herk? Let me help you out here. Racism, like communism, fascism, or neoconism is actually an IDEA. It may be one you dislike, but it's still an idea. And that's what we discuss on these boards. We have no rule stating you can't be a fascist or a racist or a bible thumper. Or all three. We don't ban ideas because some dislike them. Prove him wrong if you like. But don't whine.

We do not allow name calling because all it does is ruin a debate.

So I suggest you use your "ignore" function if Billy is bothering you. Or you can go to a board where only Herk approved political positions are allowed.

[justabubba]

Originally Posted by Herkdriver

Proves my point.

The moderators tolerate overt racism but correct the petty stuff.

It isn't Billy Bob that is the problem. He's one person.

It's the Moderators condonement and what I believe to be, support of the overt racism to be the issue here.

Attitude reflects Leadership, and you are doing a (*)(*)(*)(*) poor job if I may say so.

i could not disagree more. there is not a mod with whom i have not had a disagreement ... usually a publicly posted one. like us they have their own political viewpoints and biases (however wrong). no one keeps you from responding to BB, or others of his ilk, whose positions you find reprehensible. man up and take them to task in debate ... IF you are able. or being unable, take your ball and go home. personally, while i disagree with you quite a bit, it surprises me that you would cut and run. i challenge you to stick it out and blast BB and me and anyone else whose views you find objectionable.

[Herkdriver]

Originally Posted by justabubba

i could not disagree more. there is not a mod with whom i have not had a disagreement ... usually a publicly posted one. like us they have their own political viewpoints and biases (however wrong). no one keeps you from responding to BB, or others of his ilk, whose positions you find reprehensible. man up and take them to task in debate ... IF you are able. or being unable, take your ball and go home. personally, while i disagree with you quite a bit, it surprises me that you would cut and run. i challenge you to stick it out and blast BB and me and anyone else whose views you find objectionable.

I will read your Terms of Service.

I am quoting directly

"No flame-bait threads. Threads where the sole intent (either by topic, title, images or language) is to elicit emotionally charged responses or personal attacks from others will be deleted. This especially goes for any form of hate speech. It is up to the moderators' discretion to determine whether or not a given post falls into a particular category."

You tell me...

[stekim]

New rule 2: Before posting anything, please send it to Herk first. If your position meets with his approval, we will allow it. Otherwise it's out. Sorry folks.

I will read your Terms of Service.

Why haven't you already? Would have saved us this entire thread. Here's the part you want:

[quote]The purpose of rules and guidelines for the forum is to help create an environment that is inviting to as wide a spectrum of people as possible from all parts of the world, but that does not restrict the ability of users to express their political views, even if those views are inflammatory or unorthodox.

See? You can trust me. It's allowed.

[Herkdriver]

Originally Posted by Herkdriver

I will read your Terms of Service.

I am quoting directly

"No flame-bait threads. Threads where the sole intent (either by topic, title, images or language) is to elicit emotionally charged responses or personal attacks from others will be deleted. This especially goes for any form of hate speech. It is up to the moderators' discretion to determine whether or not a given post falls into a particular category."

You tell me...

In my estimation the Mods are ignoring what is clearly a violation of the TOS...probably because of subtle affirmation of what is being said...
or they don't have the Balls to challenge it....

Therefore as I said...Attitude reflects Leadership

The Attitude from an outsider perspective would lead one to believe that this board condones hate-speech.

My issue is not with the hate-speech.

Either it's allowed or it isn't.

If it is?

Then why Moderate anything?

I'll just start a thread..

"I hate f@gs"

is this acceptable?

oh it isn't?

okay, but I hate Blacks is okay.

[MasTequila]

Originally Posted by Herkdriver

In my estimation the Mods are ignoring what is clearly a violation of the TOS...probably because of subtle affirmation of what is being said...
or they don't have the Balls to challenge it....

Therefore as I said...Attitude reflects Leadership

The Attitude from an outsider perspective would lead one to believe that this board condones hate-speech.

My issue is not with the hate-speech.

Either it's allowed or it isn't.

If it is?

Then why Moderate anything?

I agree with Herk its time to ban Superbadbrutha. I think his views are racist and anti-American.

[stekim]

You needed to bold this part:

It is up to the moderators' discretion to determine whether or not a given post falls into a particular category."

We, as Mods, agreed to allow most "hate speech". However, we do delete some. Ask BillyBob. He'll tell you. The fact is, you never see what we delete, so you don't think we delete it. There is a fine line between the flame bait topic of "Jews are slime" and the topic of "Jewish control of banking and the Zionist conspiracy". We may not allow the former, but we do allow the latter. Hating Jews is allowed. Flaming is not. If you think a post is flame bait report it. We don't see every post.

I'll just start a thread..

"I hate f@gs"

is this acceptable?

oh it isn't?

okay, but I hate Blacks is okay.

Actually, if you said "I hate homosexuals", it would be allowed as long as something of substance followed. "I hate blacks" is allowed, too. I hate N-words is not. See how easy this is?

[catzmeow]

It is up to the moderators' discretion to determine whether or not a given post falls into a particular category

In the broad sense, we tend to err on the side of free speech. I know some people can't handle the concept of free speech, but that concept means that you may have to tolerate or ignore ideas you find offensive. To do otherwise, in my opinion, is simply un-American.

However, we do focus in on personal attacks because they tend to cause discussion to disintegrate and explode into nothing more than an insult war. They are also pointless, easy to identify, and easy to fix. They contribute nothing to discussion. We try to urge posters to focus on debating IDEAS, not other people's character, intelligence, or values.

If a post is designated by users as hate speech, most of the moderators look at it. Occasionally, one of us will delete a post that we consider flamebait and/or hate speech. However, you might consider that one man's hate speech is another man's free speech.

Someone else might find your beliefs and ideas just as offensive as you find theirs. Being an American means developing a skin that is slightly tougher than those found in other countries and learning to ignore or appropriately respond to speech that you consider egregious, offensive, or inflammatory. That's really what freedom of speech means, and that's why both Playboy/Penthouse and the racist rantings of Stormfront are protected under the first amendment, whereas slander and libel are not.


Ciao.