infraction issue

[justabubba]

here is an infraction notice just received:

You think you can get away with this crap because it's the weekend?
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This infraction is worth 1 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

Original Post:
http://www.politicalforum.com/36797-...tml#post541154

Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by superdude17*
i don't support racists

unfortunately, your parents do
All the best,
Political Forum

in reading the guidelines i find this addressed in two areas and they will follow:

Avoid personal attacks. This is probably the most subjective of guidelines; however, approach it like this: ATTACK THE MESSAGE, NOT THE MESSENGER.
Many topics are emotionally charged. This passion for what one believes in should remain in the discourse. However, please refrain from attacking another user in a personal way. Personal attacks do not contribute to a debate. While you may attack a user's ideas, views, political affiliation, political party, political candidate, government, etc... you must not attack the poster personally. Those who engage in this may get a private warning, a public warning, or even have their posting deleted. Continued disregard towards this guideline may result in being banned from this board.

(4) Namecalling and derogatory remarks of political and public figures that are not users of the forum is permitted as this may be an expression of an opinion and free speech by the poster; however, any threats that are considered potentially real or are of a violent nature will be taken seriously and will be reported to authorities. This includes threats directed towards public officials, including the President and Vice-President which is a violation of federal law.

in your opinions, did i violate the terms of use when i posted that superdude's parents support racists ... recognizing that they are not forumites and superdude has cited their racist-tinged opinions in his posts?
i find that since the derogatory (yet accurate) remark was directed to those who are not members of this forum, whose opinions are referenced within the foum, they are not off limits and this infraction should be found bogus
i welcome you opinions in either direction

[Metrophobe]

A user says:

"I don't support racists."

You reply with:

"Unfortunately your parents do."

The implication you clearly intend to make is that the user is a racist, the second tier of the problem is that you are discussing the user's parents, which is AT LEAST off-topic, and more like trolling or flaming, and in this instance is clearly derogatory.

The best advice I can give you --if you can't see the personal attack here-- is to turn your own words around and ask if you'd feel personally attacked by them.

I'm happy to discuss this with you if you need further clarification, here or by PM.

[The12thMan]

He doesn't need further clarification, Metro. He knows exactly why he got the infraction.

[BillyBob]

Just one infraction?

Dude, you're not trying hard enough. I get 2 and 3 at a time!!!

[BillyBob]

My only complaint about the namecalling issue is that guys like suprbadposter [or whatever his dopey name is] gets away with blatant namecalling all the time, even when it's pointed out.

I don't know if the mods are practicing affirmative action or they just feel sorry for the......um......'mentally challenged'......

[superdude17*]

Originally Posted by BillyBob

My only complaint about the namecalling issue is that guys like suprbadposter [or whatever his dopey name is] gets away with blatant namecalling all the time, even when it's pointed out.

I don't know if the mods are practicing affirmative action or they just feel sorry for the......um......'mentally challenged'......

are you referring to me? i don't call anyone names...just politicians. they aren't people.

[justabubba]

Originally Posted by The12thMan

He doesn't need further clarification, Metro. He knows exactly why he got the infraction.

the infraction was issued by you. and your posts reveal your intolerance to be as aberrant as the parent's of the forumite with whom i was debating, regarding your racial views. it would not surprise me if your kids display, just as the child of the parents i derided, a similar cavalier bias against persons of color, since you obviously condone, no, it's more than that, you support bigoted beliefs
i found that the infraction you issued was inconsistent with the established guidelines for two reasons: (1) the derogatory remark was not directed at a forumite ... to have done so would have been a violation of the guidelines; and (2) the forumite has cited the racial views of his parents, who hold biased views, which citatations make them fair game
instead of explaining what about that challenge to your view is unfounded you simply offer that "He knows exactly why he got the infraction". weak, even for the likes of you
so, 12th, i presented that your infraction is a bogus violation because you are unable to identify how the guidelines were violated. i welcome you to explain how my post was outside the guideline. but, i don't think you will for two reasons: you haven't the firepower and you don't want to embarrass yourself (again)

[MasTequila]

Originally Posted by justabubba

the infraction was issued by you. and your posts reveal your intolerance to be as aberrant as the parent's of the forumite with whom i was debating, regarding your racial views. it would not surprise me if your kids display, just as the child of the parents i derided, a similar cavalier bias against persons of color, since you obviously condone, no, it's more than that, you support bigoted beliefs
i found that the infraction you issued was inconsistent with the established guidelines for two reasons: (1) the derogatory remark was not directed at a forumite ... to have done so would have been a violation of the guidelines; and (2) the forumite has cited the racial views of his parents, who hold biased views, which citatations make them fair game
instead of explaining what about that challenge to your view is unfounded you simply offer that "He knows exactly why he got the infraction". weak, even for the likes of you
so, 12th, i presented that your infraction is a bogus violation because you are unable to identify how the guidelines were violated. i welcome you to explain how my post was outside the guideline. but, i don't think you will for two reasons: you haven't the firepower and you don't want to embarrass yourself (again)

I suggested that the mother of a forum member might have been a prostitute in the 60's thus producing that forum member and received an infraction, so it seems the mods are being consistent with the infractions in regards to mothers. I have to agree with you bubba, I felt I was within the rules also.

[The12thMan]

Since you want to insist that your parents raised a moron, I'll explain.

1. Family members are not public figures. Ergo, not fair game. Call it flame, personal attack or off-topic. It is not allowed.

2. Your comment was intended to call superdude racist and everyone reading it knows it. There is no misinterpretation. If there was, you had the chance to point that out. Instead, you decided to personally attack me.

3. You should take note that the first edit on that page was not given an infraction though it was a personal attack and off-topic. I was about to issue it a yellow card when your red card infraction reared it's ugly head. IOW, you got off light.

4. Mods are not fair game either. Ergo, the 3rd red card in one day that will occur as soon as I finish this post. Just like in any other topic, supporting your own opinion on a subject should never rely on insulting other users. You have a bad habit of insulting me personally and expecting to get away with it because I am a mod.

[i.beletesri]

Originally Posted by justabubba

the infraction was issued by you. and your posts reveal your intolerance to be as aberrant as the parent's of the forumite with whom i was debating, regarding your racial views. it would not surprise me if your kids display, just as the child of the parents i derided, a similar cavalier bias against persons of color, since you obviously condone, no, it's more than that, you support bigoted beliefs
i found that the infraction you issued was inconsistent with the established guidelines for two reasons: (1) the derogatory remark was not directed at a forumite ... to have done so would have been a violation of the guidelines; and (2) the forumite has cited the racial views of his parents, who hold biased views, which citatations make them fair game
instead of explaining what about that challenge to your view is unfounded you simply offer that "He knows exactly why he got the infraction". weak, even for the likes of you
so, 12th, i presented that your infraction is a bogus violation because you are unable to identify how the guidelines were violated. i welcome you to explain how my post was outside the guideline. but, i don't think you will for two reasons: you haven't the firepower and you don't want to embarrass yourself (again)

I had a similar infraction.. but not quite the same.

A poster, in the course of debate, brought up her (half)-Jewishness as some sort of Genetic proof she wasn't biased against Israel and was also for that reason (50/50) more even-handed in evaluating the issue.

When I responded to this tactic disagreeing with it and her USE of it, I got an infraction for 'insult'ing her. (I'm Jewish by birth and Pro-Israel, tho an Atheist). I have no issues with her Jewishness, be it Hasidic or like me Atheist... just her Use/Misuse of it and as they say in court "Opening the door" to the issue.

Normally Dissing someone's parents IS also an Insult to them even tho not "forumites".. that's really NOT a good defense.
Saying "your mother is a Whore" (or anything else) IS a personal insult to Them.

However, as in my case, this poster "opened the door"/Had previously stated his Parents views .. you say.
There is also an issue of what is 'racist' about his parents, if indeed what he has said does make them so.
Did he say "my parents are racist".. or "Hate Blacks", etc or is this just Your take?

Of course, 12thman almost certainly didn't know of this previous reference when giving the infraction.