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There is no gene... There is no disease...
Yet it is a biological accident...
What? Like someone trips over the ottamon, gets up and he's gay due to physical injury. Do you pay attention to the things that you type?
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Default Is "homosexuality" a choice

Is HETEROSEXUALITY a choice?
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Default Nature or nurture?

Probably a bit of both. Without some genetic predisposition no amount of nuture will do it.

There is nothing paradoxical about genetic predisposition to homosexuality.

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6519

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But, actually, some same-sex birds do do it. So do beetles, sheep, fruit bats, dolphins, and orangutans. Zoologists are discovering that homosexual and bisexual activity is not unknown within the animal kingdom
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A study of gay sheep appears to confirm the controversial suggestion that there is a biological basis for sexual preference.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3008

Hmm, Orangutans, eh? What percentage of DNA do we share with Orangutans? 95% or upwards I would guess.
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I notice that many arguments in support of restricting rights from gay people are fundamentally based on the notion that being gay is a choice.

If this is true there may be some logical basis for those arguments. I personally can't see that being gay is a choice and I base that assumption on the following:

Several years ago my wife and I were invited to go to a gay bar by a gay couple we happened to know. I was at first reluctant but eventually agreed to go.

When we got there, the first thing I noticed was how much my thinking had been skewed by bad stereotypes. True there were a few "flamers" who seemed to be the only people truly enjoying themselves but, as for the rest, all I saw were uber musceled uber handsome adoni that looked liked they'd just stepped off of the cover of a fashion magazine (it was a very trendy bar).

My wife went off to dance (for a change!) and I was left with the task of ordering the next round of drinks.

Sitting at the bar was one of the most attractive and glamorous women I had ever seen. She didn't look very happy though. We started to chat and it transpired that the guy she had come with (whom she knew to be gay) was somewhat ignoring her. I got the impression she was trying to do a "conversion job" but wasn't being that successful as the guy was more interested in talking to a bus driver called Dave.

At this point I reasoned that in no way could homosexuality be a matter of choice. I personaly know that I (were I not hitched) or any number of my straight mates would have SAWN OFF OUR RIGHT LEGS if we thought it would better our chances of getting within a mile of this goddess.

Not our gay guy though. Dave was definitely his flavour of the month.

I'd like to hear your views on this specific point. Please try to avoid political issues or religious arguments as they have been examined numerously in other posts.
Here is a purely scientific(not religious) explanation why being gay is a choice. And I will not even get into the psychology of how a persons environment and experience affect their sexuality. It is very simple. Human sexual organs have one purpose. They are very specialized and only perform one function. Procreation! There has to be a male and female sexual organ to procreate. That is what they are there for. There is also only one purpose for the organs on the backside of the body. And that does not involve anything entering them. Human physiology tells us everything we need to know about human sexuality. It is very simple, very obvious and indisputable.

There is nothing unnatural about members of the same sex having relationships that are not based on sex. Men can relate to men and women can relate to women. It is natural for people of the same sex to comfort each other, build bonds with each other, relate to each other emotionally and have long term relationships with each other. I have Friends of both sexes. I am close to members of both sexes. However, I only participate in sexual activity with a member of the opposite sex. My wife. I don't find men physically appealing to me in a sexual way. I admire many men because of their physical attributes, because I would like to have a physique like that myself. But I do not find them appealing in a sexual manner. Women are very supportive of each other and are can be very emotionally attached to another women in ways that men can't be. But they do not naturally appeal sexually to each other. The laws of physics dictate that there is no natural way a women can engage in sexual congress with another women. They have the same sexual organs. They do not have the male organs that are required for sexual intercourse.

So it is very easy to understand how homosexuality is entirely by choice. The natural, indisputable laws of science prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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That does not prove homosexuality to be a choice in the slightest, it simply proves that homosexuals cannot procreate together.
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Although I certainly think there is a biological basis (allowing for environmental influences, as well), the bigger issue for me is this: WHO CARES? I can't think of a single reason why it's any of my concern who someone I don't even know has sex with (as long as it's consensual). So why should I even concern myself about it?
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I notice that many arguments in support of restricting rights from gay people are fundamentally based on the notion that being gay is a choice.

If this is true there may be some logical basis for those arguments. I personally can't see that being gay is a choice and I base that assumption on the following:

Several years ago my wife and I were invited to go to a gay bar by a gay couple we happened to know. I was at first reluctant but eventually agreed to go.

When we got there, the first thing I noticed was how much my thinking had been skewed by bad stereotypes. True there were a few "flamers" who seemed to be the only people truly enjoying themselves but, as for the rest, all I saw were uber musceled uber handsome adoni that looked liked they'd just stepped off of the cover of a fashion magazine (it was a very trendy bar).

My wife went off to dance (for a change!) and I was left with the task of ordering the next round of drinks.

Sitting at the bar was one of the most attractive and glamorous women I had ever seen. She didn't look very happy though. We started to chat and it transpired that the guy she had come with (whom she knew to be gay) was somewhat ignoring her. I got the impression she was trying to do a "conversion job" but wasn't being that successful as the guy was more interested in talking to a bus driver called Dave.

At this point I reasoned that in no way could homosexuality be a matter of choice. I personaly know that I (were I not hitched) or any number of my straight mates would have SAWN OFF OUR RIGHT LEGS if we thought it would better our chances of getting within a mile of this goddess.

Not our gay guy though. Dave was definitely his flavour of the month.

I'd like to hear your views on this specific point. Please try to avoid political issues or religious arguments as they have been examined numerously in other posts.
Here is a purely scientific(not religious) explanation why being gay is a choice. And I will not even get into the psychology of how a persons environment and experience affect their sexuality. It is very simple. Human sexual organs have one purpose. They are very specialized and only perform one function. Procreation! There has to be a male and female sexual organ to procreate. That is what they are there for. There is also only one purpose for the organs on the backside of the body. And that does not involve anything entering them. Human physiology tells us everything we need to know about human sexuality. It is very simple, very obvious and indisputable.

There is nothing unnatural about members of the same sex having relationships that are not based on sex. Men can relate to men and women can relate to women. It is natural for people of the same sex to comfort each other, build bonds with each other, relate to each other emotionally and have long term relationships with each other. I have Friends of both sexes. I am close to members of both sexes. However, I only participate in sexual activity with a member of the opposite sex. My wife. I don't find men physically appealing to me in a sexual way. I admire many men because of their physical attributes, because I would like to have a physique like that myself. But I do not find them appealing in a sexual manner. Women are very supportive of each other and are can be very emotionally attached to another women in ways that men can't be. But they do not naturally appeal sexually to each other. The laws of physics dictate that there is no natural way a women can engage in sexual congress with another women. They have the same sexual organs. They do not have the male organs that are required for sexual intercourse.

So it is very easy to understand how homosexuality is entirely by choice. The natural, indisputable laws of science prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt.
More brainless,psychotic,simple-minded,hypocritical,self-serving,insecure,homophobic nonsense from source's who base all opinon's from their contradictive manual's and synogogue's of stupidity!God created gay's biologically to control overpopulation rather than abortion!DEAL WITH IT! My apologies to the Moderator's and other forum member's for the rhetorical vulgarities.
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Although I certainly think there is a biological basis (allowing for environmental influences, as well), the bigger issue for me is this: WHO CARES? I can't think of a single reason why it's any of my concern who someone I don't even know has sex with (as long as it's consensual). So why should I even concern myself about it?
Yeah, same here.
What I find interesting is that the people who are really so fearful of gays are the ones who want to LIMIT their kids' options. That's what it comes down to. They think that tolerance of gays will somehow make their kids choose to be gay.
What it really comes down to is the same argument they have for all of their morality enforcements. They think that, despite having a moral philosophy that they believe is superior, by not enforcing every strict part of the legal code people will largely choose other codes. As if any straight person would decide to become gay simply because it's tolerated (I can tell you I've never been tempted despite everyone I care about not giving a %$&*).
It always amazes me that the same people have an ideological devotion to the free market most of the time... So in business it's okay to let people do whatever they want... but not in personal life?!
I don't know. Social conservatives strike me as the least thoughtful and most paranoid of all ideologues in general. I suppose that's what happens when every decision you make is based on a hope/fear that the world is ending at every given snapshot in history.
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Default It is funny how my comments are judged

on a topic where "judging" is the entire issue.

The first sentence of my post states that my only input is purely scientific. I am not judging peoples sexual choices, I am merely stating facts. This particular post asks the question is it a choice or not. I completely stayed within the context of the topic. Those who criticized my statements were the ones judging and deviating from the topic. It seems to me that they are the close minded and I wonder if they even read what I wrote.

I do not engage in debate about whether homosexuality is wrong or if it is my business. I don't have a problem with someone being gay. My personal opinions about it are meaningless. I have friends who are gay and I do not judge anyone. So please keep your snide comments about what you think I think to yourself. And read what people write before you pop off about it and make yourself look like a fool. You are the ideolog here, not me.

There are other debatable subjects that relate to sexuality that I would love to engage in. But, as I did with this topic, I will keep my comments strictly to the topic of the post. Please do so yourselves and don't make me out to be something that I am not.
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