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Old 07-05-2008, 11:18 PM
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Leviticus 18:22 : Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Misquoting the OT is a lie. This is a commandment you have broken.
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Leviticus 20:13 : If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
And the same penalty applies if every stitch you wear is not either of linen alone or of wool alone (and woolen underwear bites). And the same applies if you eat pork, or mix meat and dairy. And for many, many other things. How is it you believe you can pick and choose which parts of Leviticus to obey? Your heart is full of hatred.

Overview of Leviticus 18:22

This is a passage from the Mosaic Code that is often used to condemn homosexual behavior in general.

In transliterated Hebrew, the verse is written: "V’et zachar lo tishkav mishk’vey eeshah toeyvah hee."

The first part of this verse is literally translated as "And with a male you shall not lay lyings of a woman." Today, no one understands this.

And not a sin, just needing ritual cleansing.
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Old 07-05-2008, 11:26 PM
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I justify their inclusion in that category on two fronts: One, the Pentagon legally considers homosexuality a mental illness
But the Pentagon is mentally deranged. They're hardly in a position to judge.
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Old 07-06-2008, 01:08 AM
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But the Pentagon is mentally deranged. They're hardly in a position to judge.
Hello kettle... this is pot... YOU'RE BLACK!
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Hello kettle... this is pot... YOU'RE BLACK!
You seem confused. This is the same Pentagon that bought $800 hammers.

Remember those famous Pentagon hammers and toilet seats that cost nearly $1,000? One would think the federal government would have learned its lesson: government agencies, especially huge ones like the Pentagon, need close monitoring lest they flush the taxpayers' money down their very expensive toilets.

Now we find that the Pentagon has outdone its scandal-ridden self. In recent years it has issued 1.8 million credit cards to its workers, who have racked up some 10 million purchases valued at $5.5 billion in 2000 alone. The problem is that many of those purchases might be fraudulent and the Pentagon is not stepping forward to make good on those debts.
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You seem confused. This is the same Pentagon that bought $800 hammers.

Remember those famous Pentagon hammers and toilet seats that cost nearly $1,000? One would think the federal government would have learned its lesson: government agencies, especially huge ones like the Pentagon, need close monitoring lest they flush the taxpayers' money down their very expensive toilets.

Now we find that the Pentagon has outdone its scandal-ridden self. In recent years it has issued 1.8 million credit cards to its workers, who have racked up some 10 million purchases valued at $5.5 billion in 2000 alone. The problem is that many of those purchases might be fraudulent and the Pentagon is not stepping forward to make good on those debts.
I should make it clear that I was agreeing with you. I can see now how it might not have been that clear.
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I have a question since you've stated you are a christian, how do you feel about Lot? Lot from the story of Sodom.

He had children with his daughters and the name Lot or Lut is the Arabic root word for homosexual.
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He had children with his daughters
He was a pedophile. Is pedophilia condemned, or even mentioned, in the Bible?
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He was a pedophile. Is pedophilia condemned, or even mentioned, in the Bible?
I don't know that I remember reading the word pedophile in the Bible. Lot had claimed that his daughters were virgins to the hordes when they were in Sodom and they didn't take them after the offer, Lot then left and was not supposed to turn and look back as he instructed his family. His wife turned and looked, becoming a pillar of salt. Lot went on to stay in a cave and his daughters thinking they were the only humans left, figured they'd get daddy drunk and have sex with him two nights in a row. Their thinking was to procreate for God and that they thought they were the last ones on the planet. I

I say, Yeah Right.

Note that was from memory and could be off depending on "which" Bible or Quran you read.
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I think you have it right, I have read that same thing as well.
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I am a Christian. I also support gay marriage and gay adoption, though I think that, until and unless homosexuality is proven to be inborn, gay rights issues must be left to the states. If that is proven (which it probably will be at some point), gay marriage and adoption become 14th Amendment issues of equality and must be legal in all states. Now, I am not a Scriptural literalist, so I reject some parts of the Bible, including sexist passages and the ones that seem to condemn homosexuality so strongly. But for those who don't reject the passages about sodomy, it occurred to me, as it has, no doubt, to others, that the condemnation of sodomy in both the Old and the New Testament may have been in place to prevent bisexuals from committing adultery with other men. After all, adultery, in those days, was probably thought of as something that a man and a woman committed, and in many ancient cultures, homosexual relationships were considered fundamentally different from heterosexual ones in nearly every respect. Accordingly, although the Ten Commandments forbid adultery, the Bible's early readers may not have understood this as forbidding married men from having homosexual affairs- hence the warnings about sodomy. It may also have been that nearly all men married- even homosexuals, so it was thought necessary to condemn all homosexuality. As such, it may be the case that the Bible in no way condemns monogamous homosexual relationships. I appreciate all replies. Thank you very much.
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