Thread: NYPD chains Transexual to fence for 28 hours

Originally Posted by Johnny-C

You're darned right, we'd BETTER investigate that kind of thing. It would benefit us all to prevent that kind of (alleged) crime from being committed.

and if the accusations are found to be trumped up, or over-stated, then the accuser and his lawyer should see some jail time. It's high time we start holding accountable those trying to make a statement at the expense of law enforcement

hands cuffed over his head for 28 straight hours

as I said in the main section

did he never go pee or poo?

did he never get a drink?

was he never fed?

did all 3 shifts of workers keep his hands cuffed over his head for their entire shift?

come on.........on face value alone it's ridiculous regardless of how badly you want it to be true to serve your agenda

Those are bigots for you.

Originally Posted by Wolverine

Those are bigots for you.

conclusion based upon a one-sided, agenda based story. Since you want to believe it to serve your agenda, you will believe the account

Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise?

Please, do share.

Originally Posted by Wolverine

Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise?

Please, do share.

what an awesome retort

please show me in the article the facts provided by the police. There aren't any are there? It's safe to say the article is one sided.

Originally Posted by websthes

Furthermore, your argument that intolerance is to blame has already been discredited by studies that show equally high levels of drug abuse and promiscuity in Dutch homosexuals. Even though that country is by far the most tolerant, and legal discrimination is non-existent.

The Netherlands being considered the most tolerant nation in the world doesn't mean for one second that gay people are NEVER discriminated against in Dutch society... Get real. It's only better only by measure of comparison.

Lucky though they may be to live in a nation with full legal equality, in this age of media and communication it's highly likely they've been exposed repeatedly throughout their lives to homophobic views - be that through paying attention to the "kill the gays" bill that's being debated in Uganda, the insane statements eminating from the religious right in America and the actions of the "God hates ***s" church, or the many, many other things in the wider world that treat gays as second class citizens or criminals. And crucially there are of course Dutch people who would like nothing more than for the rights of their fellow citizens to be stripped away; indeed they also have anti-gay politicians and religious figures who enjoy belittling homosexuals. Just the other week a top Dutch Rabbi said gays are sick and "need help". All this stuff can affect the psyche in ways you couldn't possibly imagine.

So your characterisation of Dutch society seemingly being a pure haven of tolerance and presenting no reason for why gays are engaging in self-depreciation is ill-informed and ignorant of the bigger picture. Society by and large hasn't even scraped the surface of true tolerance - even where it is considered to be in its strongest form.

Why do Dutch homosexuals continue to display a high rate of self-destructive behavior, when they don't face any of the discrimination or prejudice you mention?

As you've provided no statistics comparing the behaviour of Dutch homosexuals to gay people in other countries, or to Dutch heterosexuals for that matter.. I'm just going to wait untill you do before going any further with this charade.

I suspect that deep down, homosexuals are just as uncomfortable with their condition as those around them, and that's why they abuse their bodies, the same as any other person who suffers from issues that affect their self esteem.

Answer me this - why would a gay person hate the way they are if they were NEVER exposed to any negativity about their sexuality? Only the outer conditions cause the inner to potentially become self-loathing or lacking in self-esteem.

And your statement that homosexuality is just another "variant of human sexuality" is a monstrous lie. I mean really, in what other universe are you going to find grown men parading around in feather boa's, leather chaps and lingerie? Sure the gay "pride" parade is good for a few laughs, but you have to feel some pity for these people who abuse their bodies with drugs and disgrace themselves in this manner.

None of that stuff has any relevance to whether having an attraction to a member of the same sex is a variant of human sexuality, which it blatantly is... That you would think otherwise is laughable.

Additionally there is no reason whatsoever that biological sexual attraction to members of the same sex should cause one to engage in drug use, or um.. cross dressing. Just like there is no reason that being black should cause one to engage in criminal activity. There may be a link, but generalising is just ridiculous and unfair.

The clinical definition of narcisism has nothing to do with excessive concern over one's appearance. It is synonymous with selfishness.

Do you have evidence gays are "selfish" or are just going to keep tossing more outlandish, unproven claims out there?

And your inference that gay men have high standards when it comes to finding other gay men to have sex with is ludicrous. If you haven't noticed, these people are anything but discriminate in their sexual encounters. That's why they're dropping like flies from AIDS.

"These people"? Again you reveal your ignorance and penchant for generalising. Many heterosexual women also have reputations for being w****s.. Take prostitutes, swingers parties, lap and pole dancing establishments, Paris Hilton... Does these things mean straight females generally deserve to be characterised in this way?

And I was waiting, just waiting for you to throw AIDS into into. "Dropping like flies", really?! Last I checked HIV medication these days means that people seldom die of AIDS. It's now considered a life-long but manageable condition rather than a death sentence. You're so 1980's retro...

Originally Posted by sec

and if the accusations are found to be trumped up, or over-stated, then the accuser and his lawyer should see some jail time...

We'll see what comes of any court case which might take place.

Originally Posted by sec

what an awesome retort

please show me in the article the facts provided by the police. There aren't any are there? It's safe to say the article is one sided.

I am glad to see you have absolutely no evidence what so ever to speak of to support your argument.

Originally Posted by websthes

Homosexuality is a mental disorder. It's normal to be disgusted by their behavior.

Originally Posted by Wolverine

I am glad to see you have absolutely no evidence what so ever to speak of to support your argument.

allow me to spell it out for you

the article makes absolutely ZERO mention of facts from "the other side"

it only discusses the accuser.

In fact, the article does not even have witness statements to confirm the accuser's story.

if your takeaway is other than the article is one-sided then clearly your agenda makes you want to believe it all to be true and factual.


feel free to jump to conclusions. You will find that as you depart youth and head into maturity that things are not always as they appear. It is admirable to support your agenda however I suggest not doing it at the expense of facts.