Thread: the Gay Agenda continued....

Originally Posted by 4Horsemen

Regardless. it's a lifestyle that young children should not be privy to.

Now, if you wanna adopt a 17-18 yr old. go right ahead, they need your support and love too. but that's not the aim of gays. they want young infants and impressionable kids below the age of 10-12 so they can warp their minds.

Now let me ask you a question:

Why aren't gay couples adopting more teenagers vs. infants and toddlers?

It's like I said already, they WANT the babies

Dear god.

Everyone who adopts children prefer younger kids. It is easier to bond with younger kids than teenagers. Plain and simple. There is not some silly vast conspiracy.

Originally Posted by Wolverine

Dear god.

Everyone who adopts children prefer younger kids. It is easier to bond with younger kids than teenagers. Plain and simple. There is not some silly vast conspiracy.

oh good grief!

you must be kidding? the fix is in, aren't gays trying to get marriage into law for them? that's the conspiracy right there. are you paying attention?

Fact is..this society chooses not to condone it in the framework of marriage. deal with it. you already have the freedom to live/work/play/love... what is a certificate of marriage going to do? it doesn't validate anything. People were being married in old times way before the wrtten word.

IMO, the gay community just wants to tear down the tenants of marriage the way they have been written, period. there's no other goal they want. they are already living together and do their thing. AND they want scream "victory" over the law of marriage as it's stated Biblically, between a male/female only.

what other agenda is there? it's a more calculated goal than just wanting to say "Just Married"

Originally Posted by 4Horsemen

oh good grief!

you must be kidding? the fix is in, aren't gays trying to get marriage into law for them? that's the conspiracy right there. are you paying attention?

Fact is..this society chooses not to condone it in the framework of marriage. deal with it. you already have the freedom to live/work/play/love... what is a certificate of marriage going to do? it doesn't validate anything. People were being married in old times way before the wrtten word.

IMO, the gay community just wants to tear down the tenants of marriage the way they have been written, period. there's no other goal they want. they are already living together and do their thing. AND they want scream "victory" over the law of marriage as it's stated Biblically, between a male/female only.

what other agenda is there? it's a more calculated goal than just wanting to say "Just Married"

Um.... nope.

Homosexuals want the same legal benefits given to heterosexual couples.

Tax Benefits

Filing joint income tax returns with the IRS and state taxing authorities.
Creating a "family partnership" under federal tax laws, which allows you to divide business income among family members.

Estate Planning Benefits

Inheriting a share of your spouse's estate.
Receiving an exemption from both estate taxes and gift taxes for all property you give or leave to your spouse.
Creating life estate trusts that are restricted to married couples, including QTIP trusts, QDOT trusts, and marital deduction trusts.
Obtaining priority if a conservator needs to be appointed for your spouse -- that is, someone to make financial and/or medical decisions on your spouse's behalf.

Government Benefits

Receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses.
Receiving veterans' and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.
Receiving public assistance benefits.

Employment Benefits

Obtaining insurance benefits through a spouse's employer.
Taking family leave to care for your spouse during an illness.
Receiving wages, workers' compensation, and retirement plan benefits for a deceased spouse.
Taking bereavement leave if your spouse or one of your spouse's close relatives dies.

Medical Benefits

Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.
Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.

Death Benefits

Consenting to after-death examinations and procedures.
Making burial or other final arrangements.

Family Benefits

Filing for stepparent or joint adoption.
Applying for joint foster care rights.
Receiving equitable division of property if you divorce.
Receiving spousal or child support, child custody, and visitation if you divorce.

Housing Benefits

Living in neighborhoods zoned for "families only."
Automatically renewing leases signed by your spouse.

Consumer Benefits

Receiving family rates for health, homeowners', auto, and other types of insurance.
Receiving tuition discounts and permission to use school facilities.
Other consumer discounts and incentives offered only to married couples or families.

Other Legal Benefits and Protections

Suing a third person for wrongful death of your spouse and loss of consortium (loss of intimacy).
Suing a third person for offenses that interfere with the success of your marriage, such as alienation of affection and criminal conversation (these laws are available in only a few states).
Claiming the marital communications privilege, which means a court can't force you to disclose the contents of confidential communications between you and your spouse during your marriage.
Receiving crime victims' recovery benefits if your spouse is the victim of a crime.
Obtaining immigration and residency benefits for noncitizen spouse.
Visiting rights in jails and other places where visitors are restricted to immediate family.
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encycloped...its-30190.html

There is not a vast conspiracy. The Supreme Court has already ruled "separate but equal" an unconstitutional, a civil union is no different than a separate bathrooms for racial minorities. On the legal level, on the government level, marriage is nothing more than a legal social contract. Nothing more. Nothing less. People get married every day for reasons other than god, or even love. There is no requirement to hold X beliefs before marriage.

What people do with marriage, whether it be you, your neighbor, or I one day is up to those involved. I do not need the government to tell me what marriages means between me and the person that I love, I do not need the government to impose that ideal on other people, I do not need the government to protect that ideal. That ideal, that idea, is between the people invoked in that relationship. The government's only purpose is the recognition of that particular partnership and ensure that the legal benefits are granted.

Your idea of marriage has already been torn down by heterosexuals being married by Elvis in Las Vegas.

I am curious to know would the people that are so against gay marriage be willing to give up their tax break and other certain government goodies to keep gays from being married? Seems kind trivial but I have not seen that question asked.

Originally Posted by 4Horsemen

Here's a question for Gay marriage supporters and gays who are in unions now:

If you are trying to adopt kids, and want them, and somehow end up with one or two. How will you explain procreation to them? Or will yo uexplain it all?

I'll probably say something along the lines of "We form babies of the dust of the ground, and breath into their nostrils the breath of life; and baby became a living soul."

Ridiculous, I know, but it's actually a pretty popular explanation. (Genesis 2:7)

Originally Posted by 4Horsemen

That's GOD. REAGRDLESS, if you believe in him or not, he exists and will render you judegement for your sins. PERIOD.

I can't school you no better than that.

class dimissed.

It takes a bit of a logical leap to say

"God is responsible for natural phenomena" to "God will judge you for your sins, and here is the list he gave me of the sins you're committing".

What makes one interpretation of the morals and motives of god superior to the next? We may not be able to deny gravity, but that doesn't mean we all agree on the morals and motives of god. You might accept gravity as proof that god exists, but that doesn't mean the Bible represents the one and only understanding of him, particularly any one given translation or interpretation of it. There are a variety of gods, and your proof offers no reason to prefer one over the other.

"Gravity is undeniable" does not logically lead to ...

Originally Posted by 4Horsemen

Look in the mirror. see that person? that person didn't get here by morphing from a rattlesnake or a centipede. that pserson got here via a divine chemical reaction between male sperm and female egg. take is back further, how did your mom get here? and your grandmother? now take it all the way back to the dawn of man.. are you still with me?...now read this:

Gen. 1:27
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

^Meaning, all of mankind on this planet, came from his doing. not by man's doing alone. that's just ignorance to Supernatural Law.


What you continue to fail to understand is....just like you can't do anything about how the wind blows, gravity, things of that nature, you can't nothing about GOD. Meaning, you can deny gravity, but once you jump out that plane, gravity makes himself known to you regardless if you believe in it or not.

That's GOD. REAGRDLESS, if you believe in him or not, he exists and will render you judegement for your sins. PERIOD.

I can't school you no better than that.

class dimissed.

lol, genesis contradicts itself. and you are using the god of the gaps fallacy.

still haven't proven the existence of your god.

and you haven't schooled anyone. you're continueing to make yourself look ridiculous.

Originally Posted by TaraAnne

I am curious to know would the people that are so against gay marriage be willing to give up their tax break and other certain government goodies to keep gays from being married? Seems kind trivial but I have not seen that question asked.

Welcome

I do not support "gay marriage"

I do that not because of homosexuality

I feel the govt has no business being involved in any marriage be it straight, gay, incestual whatever.

We should all be treated as individuals and let contracts take care of the rest.

Originally Posted by 4Horsemen

Also, let me add, I challenge you to ask a Satanist to verify that Satan exists. but something tells me you already believe that Satan exists, just not GOD almighty. interesting indeed.

strawman. we're not talking about satan. and since there is no evidence that satan exists, I of course do not believe it exists. that would be stupid.

Originally Posted by 4Horsemen

oh good grief!

you must be kidding? the fix is in, aren't gays trying to get marriage into law for them? that's the conspiracy right there. are you paying attention?

Fact is..this society chooses not to condone it in the framework of marriage. deal with it. you already have the freedom to live/work/play/love... what is a certificate of marriage going to do? it doesn't validate anything. People were being married in old times way before the wrtten word.

IMO, the gay community just wants to tear down the tenants of marriage the way they have been written, period. there's no other goal they want. they are already living together and do their thing. AND they want scream "victory" over the law of marriage as it's stated Biblically, between a male/female only.

what other agenda is there? it's a more calculated goal than just wanting to say "Just Married"

you do realize that marriage was stated as polygamy biblically as well. something tells me you don't like polygamy either.

that's the problem with religious nutjobs. they pick and choose which parts of the bible to believe.