I would not have a problem with that but i would not grant certain rights. What would be to stop every 2 buddies who live together from getting married for money sake.

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What is to stop straight men and women from doing the same thing now?

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Nothing, but who cares? As I noted before, the only financial advantage they'd get is being able to file as "married filing jointly." Most of the benefits of marriage -- ability to make medical decisions, rights of survivorship, joint property rights -- are either irrelevant or unattractive to scammers.

And the actions of scammers are hardly a reason to deny gays the ability to marry. Right now, opposite-sex friends can do exactly what you fear. Should we outlaw straight marriage because of it?

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I want to see what supporters of gay marraige think.
Are you born gay or do you become gay?

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IIRC, current research suggests a little of both.

There is a genetic component to homosexuality, but it can vary in effect. What it does, at a minimum, is create a *predisposition* to being gay.

Some people can ignore/fight that, or never encounter the environmental/social triggers for it, and live life as a heterosexual.

For others, however, they're simply gay. No gray area.

There's also been research showing that being sexually abused as a child can make one more likely to be gay. So a sufficiently traumatic experience can apparently reset one's sexual orientation.

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these are simply statistics.
Obviously one group will have more gays than others but it doesn't mean certain things make you gay.
It's not like there is gene in our DNA that makes some people gay.

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raytri, would that be gay sexual abuse? i believe girls are the most abused children and its usually hetero abuse. then you get the argument about abuse and strippers/porn. i think if gay people had a choice (bi people) they would ultimately go with being heterosexual - path of least resistance. thats my opinion. the thought of being with another man is really gross to me - but thats me.

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That's why researchers use terms like "statistically significant" and "controlling for other variables." If one group has twice as many gays, all other things being equal, it's reasonable to conclude that something is causing the first group to be more gay.

If you had your mind all made up, why did you ask?

And would you care to substantiate that claim?

Here's a writer over at National Review -- not a group notoriously sympathetic to gays -- running down the latest state of the science.
http://www.nationalreview.com/derbys...0502160748.asp

Note that he largely agrees with my summation.

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I'd have to go look it up, but I'm not sure it matters. I remember examples where a woman who was abused by an uncle, for instance, became lesbian because she found she simply couldn't trust men -- the only place she could find love and trust was with women.

Whether she's a "true" lesbian, or simply acting like one, is an interesting but (to me) irrelevant question. I wouldn't look at her situation and conclude that she "chose" to be gay in any meaningful sense.

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Farmer Brown wants to marry his sister. Is this a civil rights issue? What if he wants to marry both his sisters and his mom?

Definition of Marriage: A union of a man and a woman through religious or civil ceromony.

Trying to redefine marriage as anything else runs counter to the beliefs of a majority of Americans.

Sorry if some homosexual couples feel left out. But their civil rights are not violated if they can enter into a marriage.

The benefits they seek can be achieved by other means (like try writing a will, or civil unions, or domestic partner laws ect.)