i dont believe the term, marriage has ever been exclusive to a union between man and woman. but thats beside the point im making. my post was assuming marriage is the property of heterosexuals.

gay persons marry others of the same sex - a gay marriage?

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I think it has more to do with "liberal" than with "gay". Unfortunately the gay community is heavily polluted with liberalism at the moment.



Extreme examples remove ambiguity. Thats why I use them as well.



No argument here. But that doesn't mean forbidding them to get married is not wrong.


And if they change their mind will you change your's as well?


The majority once supported slavery. Did that make slavery right?

Thats why you cant use "the majority" opinion in defining right and wrong.

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By definition and law, marriage is a contract between a man and a woman. Everyone here keeps missing that very basic but relevent point.

"Over time, antipolygamists convinced Congress to ban polygamy, and this ban was upheld by the Supreme Court. In Reynolds v. United States, decided in 1879, the justices adopted the antipolygamists' view that plural marriage was inhumane...marriage in most civilized nations was a civil contract, and usually regulated by law. This was so because marriage was the foundation upon which society may be said to be built, and out of its fruits spring social relations and social obligations and duties... the boundaries of marriage are defined by the state, not individuals. In Reynolds, the Supreme Court said that a local community could not define marriage more expansively than the rest of the country. "

(Source:legalaffairs.org/issues/January-February-2003/review_gordon_janfeb2003.msp)

Its not a matter of my (or the majorities) prejudices but rather a recalcitrant minority insistant upon acceptance of their viewpoints.

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not allowing gay marriage is unconstitutional, patriot.

let me ask you guys this, when you think of gay marriage what do you envision as the ceremony? what does it mean to you personally? how does it affect you?

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Just because no one's gonna die doesn't mean it's right.

Yes, it does harm people. Not physically, but I gave you a long list of discriminatory practices that inflict no physical harm and yet you would find unacceptable.

And there's a reason it takes a two-thirds majority in Congress and a three-fourths majority of the states to amend the Constitution. Because just because something is popular doesn't mean it's a good idea.

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If by "gay marriage" you mean the union of a man and a man or a woman and a woman, then the meaning of the term "gay marriage" is an oxymoron. Again, you are trying to redefine the WORD "marriage". Marriage is by definition (once again) a contractual union between a man and a woman. Marriage is not prohibited to any individual gay or straight. The redefining of "marriage" is not permitted by the Constitution as demonstrated by the SCOTUS ruling I sighted above.

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wasnt that about polygamy? furthermore, the word, marriage has never been exclusive to the man + woman formula. there is no redefinition going on. furthermore, what you cited said "more expansively than the rest of the country." furthermore, that was over a century ago.

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Except in every dictionary ever written.

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And even if it is redefining it, what possible relevance does that have? The dictionary is the final arbiter on whether discrimination is acceptable?

When the country was founded, "citizen" meant "white male." It has since been redefined ever so slightly.

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Honestly. I can't believe people advance these arguments:

1. "Gays are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex." That's like saying a horse is free to eat meat. It's true, but do you think Noah could have gotten away with that as an explanation for why the horses on the Ark starved to death?

2. "The dictionary defines marriage as between a man and a woman, so that's what it has to be." Never mind that dictionaries are *descriptive*, not *proscriptive*, and that as a practical matter the meanings of English words are redefined all the time.
http://www.langmaker.com/ml0104.htm

Argue the substance of the matter; don't hide behind these disingenuous dodges.

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