Gay people have children provided by the state. I just want to make sure we have shown it is impossible for it to happen any other way

So now couples given state-mandated children provide more stable environments than that provided by natural parents? Oh how I would like to see that study.

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You miss the point. Its essentially an insurance policy from the government. The government charges married people less because they can take care of themselves better. Single people will more likely need and benefit from social programs, so the superficial difference in the financial advantage between married and non-married can be explained with a more in depth look at who will be taking more money from the government overall.

Plus, this only works if your spouse actually cares about you enough to fulfill their commitment.

So now children raised by the state are provided more stable environments then a foster family, gay or straight?

There are plenty of children that need adoption, not to mention the fact that a child can be born to a straight, divorced family and the fact that there can be segregate mothers. The fact that some straight couples are incapable or unwilling to reproduce has never been a barrier to getting a marriage.

ah, (*)(*)(*)(*), lol. that's "surrogate" mothers. Pardon me for the correction

That is incorrect.

The guy I am dating now has a daughter. He was married for over a decade to a woman. He's not the only example.

The fact that I am gay doesnt mean my reproductive organs dont function. Gay men have an incentive to fit into a straight world, and many have managed to have sex with women in order to fit in (either because they are Bi or because they were able to fantasize about men while having sex with women). It isnt impossible to do.

Straight men in prison (or any environment where they dont have access to females) do the same thing in reverse...a lot of them (I would argue most) are not attracted to men at all. But they have sex with men because there are no women available...it is basically a form of masterbation.

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LOL. You didn't have a baby with the guy did you? Lets not change the subject here.

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The subject's not been changed at all. You said:

Obviously he has proven your claim false since that child was not provided by the state, not that I think your claim has any important point anyway.

I'm not sure why you brought this up anyway. It's a straw man image of anything we've been arguing for. Who was asking for state mandated children? If anything, we're only arguing that sexuality in it of itself should not be an automatic disqualifier in matters of child custody and adoption. That's no mandate that the state provide children. It's just a question of relevance.

I didnt have to in order for your statement to be wrong.


When did I change the subject? It's still gay marriage, right?

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I hope this link workshttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi_news/4493094.stmAs a member of the Labour Party in the UK this bill had my wholehearted support.

Gay people have an equal rights to happiness in the UK and I am proud of that fact!

Just so you know, your link doesnt work, but thanks for the update