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Old 05-31-2008, 10:08 PM
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Young Rep my parents taught me tollerance and to be inclusive, what are your parents values?
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Awww, Young Republican - I'll give you a break here. I remember being 17 and thinking (nay, knowing) that if all families could be just like mine then the world would be a most splendid place. 12 years on and I now know that this crazy old world of ours is a fabulous mix of all sorts of people.

If I can persuade you to do just one thing, Young Rep, it would be to have a good look at the values you hold so dear. Make sure you haven't accepted them just because your parents say 'this is so'. Apply a good dose of objectivity and be rational when you introspect on this.

Good on you for sticking it out in this forum - maybe you will take some of the points raised here and have a good think about them.

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Why is America more focused on 'traditional' values and morals than say, Australia? Gay marriage isn't legal here yet, but more than half of the population support gay rights. Why do you the US has a different stance on this? Is it the religious influence?
For most of America, it probably is the religious influence. For me personally, it's just my opinion and what I believe in. I don't have a problem with gays by any means, but I still believe in more traditional values than a lot of my peers.
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For most of America, it probably is the religious influence. For me personally, it's just my opinion and what I believe in. I don't have a problem with gays by any means, but I still believe in more traditional values than a lot of my peers.
If you have no problem with gay people, what is the harm in granting them equal rights?
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If you have no problem with gay people, what is the harm in granting them equal rights?
Gays already have equal rights.

Marriage is not a right, but a privilege, and is reserved for the union of a man and a woman.

Just like driving a car. It is Not a right, but a privilege. It requires license.

Same as marriage. Not a right, but a privilege. It requires a license.
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If you have no problem with gay people, what is the harm in granting them equal rights?
It is a lot of harm. By granting gays marriage you deprive heterosexual people a right for traditional marriage. You strip of a right to become a husband/father for man and wife/mother for woman. State stops recognition of optimal environment for rearing children. And lot of other things that important of heterosexual people.
In essence gay-marriage is an outright state sponsored legal discrimination against heterosexual couples.
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Once again, I'm talking about American values.





Marriage is a one-man one-woman relationship, that's why.

And I never said that they wouldn't do a good job, I just said that's not the normal American family way, and that a kid deserves to start off in a traditional family.
By saying a kid deserves to start off in a traditional family, you are stating that he will be raised better than any other alternative.

Why? What basis do you have for this?
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Gays already have equal rights.

Marriage is not a right, but a privilege, and is reserved for the union of a man and a woman.

Just like driving a car. It is Not a right, but a privilege. It requires license.

Same as marriage. Not a right, but a privilege. It requires a license.
Yea.

But with those priviledges you mentioned, everyone has the capability to acquire said priviledge.

You are not allowing gays to acquire the priviledge of marriage.
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For most of America, it probably is the religious influence. For me personally, it's just my opinion and what I believe in. I don't have a problem with gays by any means, but I still believe in more traditional values than a lot of my peers.
Its great that you embrace these values and hold on to them. But what gives you the right to force these beliefs onto other people? Just because you see a mother and a father as a "normal" family doesn't make it so. Why should the rest of us be limited by your values? Should we also be required to follow your religion and political views as well?
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Its great that you embrace these values and hold on to them. But what gives you the right to force these beliefs onto other people?
You have it backwards. Homos are trying to force their perverted values and sick beliefs on normal people.
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